The last days apostasy in the church. Rogue ministers, deacons, reverends and first ladies discussed here.
Fred Price's Daughter: Cheryl???
Originally Posted by virtuousnga
Bishop Jordan has been holding meetings at the Sheraton near the Airport since December or January, maybe even earlier.
Hum, so he's going to cut into
Bishop Jordan has been holding meetings at the Sheraton near the Airport since December or January, maybe even earlier.
Hum, so he's going to cut into Creflo's territory even though Creflo has added satille services also. If he's been there since December, the response must be pretty good! It should get pretty interesting.
Jordan is crazy, does he really think people are going to spend $400 to hear him 'prophelie' from August 21-24??? I hope Atlantans are as gulible as he thinks they are
Jordan is crazy, does he really think people are going to spend $400 to hear him 'prophelie' from August 21-24??? I hope Atlantans are as gulible as he thinks they are
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How can some of these so-called minister's be Christians?
Many of them are not Christians. Plain and simple.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach their destructive heresies about God and even turn against their Master who bought them. Theirs will be a swift and terrible end. 2Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of them, Christ and his true way will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction is on the way.
And fleece the sheep and remain having a following?
The Bible says that these hirelings will actually have LARGE followings. Notice verse 2 above states that MANY will follow these false teachers, but by contrast Jesus says this about HIS sheep:
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Do you think that the people following these minister's. Have the Holy Spirit? if so why weren't they warned? I am confuse.
Well, no one knows all truth perfectly, and we're all wrong to some degree about some points of doctrine. The Holy Spirit leads and guides into all truth, b ut the very use of the word "leads" tells us it's a process, not a promise that those with the Spirit can never err. It IS a promise that those with the Spirit WILL be led into all Truth and never be lost. We can err temporarily, but the Spirit promises that we will never be plucked out of the Father's hand.
As for ministers, does the erring minister err because he is still in the process of being guided into truth by the Spirit,or because he does not have the Spirit at all?? Fortunately, the Bible gives us guidelines with which we can make a fair determination of which situation is before us.
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. (2 John 9)
Does the minister abide in the doctrine (teaching) of Christ?? When you look at their teachings, and read them along with the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, do they match or do they look different and "new"?? Can you see the words they preach coming from Christ's or the Apostles' lips?? Are they something they twisted OUT of Scripture rather than what Scripture actually teaches??
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8-9)
This is why it's so important to study the Word for yourself and find men who are proven teachers of Truth to help you. Just because someone uses verses from the Bible when they teach doesn't mean they are teaching you the Truth.
Remember when Jamal taught that Delilah was giving Samson oral sex because her head was in her lap?? Then we went to Judges and discovered that it was Samson's head on HER lap, and it had ZERO allusions to oral sex?? Remember how the congregation, Bibles in their laps, hooted and hollered "PREACH BLACK MAN!!" ?? Jamal preached FROM the Bible, but twisted it so there was no Truth coming forth.
Did the folks bother to check it out?? Nope. Did it pass the test of being in accord with the rest of the Scripture?? Nope. Could you picture Christ or the Apostles teaching this as you read their writings and sermons?? Nope.
Then, the Holy Spirit gives us the "fruit test"
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Look at the fruit of their lives. Is it the fruit of the Spirit??
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self‑control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires.
Or is it the fruit of the flesh??
Gal 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery (fornication, adultery,pedophilia) ; 20 idolatry (love of money or power more than God for example) and witchcraft (manipulation for selfish gain); hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God..
Do these ministers live unrepentantly in this state?? Then they are not sheep, but hirelings and wolves.
Thanks, the scriptures don't lie. And for shedding some Light on this subject. I feel hurt for people that are duped by these ministers. Like I said before. What does a Wolf eats? Answer: Sheep.
Excellent Gary. Oh don't worry Misglo, these ministers have a judgement waiting if they don't repent. We need to watch because if we don't the bible says that the very elect could be that is could be fooled. That is why we Must study to show ourselfs approved and make sure that the Holy Spirit is trully your guide and teacher and make sure we listen and obey Him.
Excellent Gary. Oh don't worry Misglo, these ministers have a judgement waiting if they don't repent. We need to watch because if we don't the bible says that the very elect could be that is could be fooled. That is why we Must study to show ourselfs approved and make sure that the Holy Spirit is trully your guide and teacher and make sure we listen and obey Him.
2 Corinthians 8:21
Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.
This needs to be applicable unto all that will preach for pay!!
Too much crookery in the lands for people not to be accountable to each other to a degree, everybody doesn't need to know, but there are responsible parties out there just to handle the oversight of said monitoring!
Excellent Gary. Oh don't worry Misglo, these ministers have a judgement waiting if they don't repent. We need to watch because if we don't the bible says that the very elect could be that is could be fooled. That is why we Must study to show ourselfs approved and make sure that the Holy Spirit is trully your guide and teacher and make sure we listen and obey Him.