"ended up" and "lack of opportunities" -- sounds like someone giving up total responsibility over their own lives and expecting others to make life better for them. How can one be surprised if the end result is failure????

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Regardless of how and why abortion started, it serves a purpose right now. If you don't believe in it, don't have one. It is that simple. I never understood why people are so concerned with what another woman does with her pregnancy.

Team Abortion.

It comes down to choice. When you take choices away, you are putting women at a disadvantage.

And Catholicism/Christainity isn't making things better either.

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I love George Carlin's take on pro-lifers. They only care about the unborn. Once the child is born, they don't give a shit about it until it is old enough to enlist in the military. These anti-abortionists "mourn" the death of these fetuses but then bitch about criminals and low-lifes. So many of these depraved individuals taking up space in prisons had such horrible childhoods, were born under unfortunate circumstances to the worst individuals who had no right being parents. Sometimes abortion is the responsible thing to do.

These propagandists are targeting the black community because they want to keep the prison industrial complex (PIC) going. Point blank. Most of the black men in prison are fatherless; and most of the black women getting these abortions have no father to provide for their child. As long as these black women are handmaids for the PICs, the prison-owning corporations will profit as will the members of the legal system who hand out the higher end of the sentencing ranges. Why else would they fucking care about how many black pregnancies are being terminated?

Another thought that comes to my mind: why don't these black men who are so vehemently against abortion adopt some of these fatherless black children running around or lecture their boys on being sexually responsible?

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You put it very crudely, but I completely agree. Abortion serves a necessary purpose in most societies. Without it, whilst ever people's sexual responsibilities are laxed, there would be a lot of social anarchy and extreme over population.

I disagree with this part, even though I agree with most of what you have said.

There are many conditions/circumstance both internal and external that lead a person to a life of drugs and other harmful things. As well as things that decipher those who don't go down that route compared to those that do. Sure it all boils down to choice, but some individuals are more vulnerable to choosing that lifestyle than others. And vulnerability can be a range of things, from specific family upbringing, personality, where you were raised, etc.

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I don't know so much about the Obama aspect when it comes to this in particular, BUT I believe Biometrics and Eugenics are/were tied together and come into play when it comes to this (the whole abortoin/population control spectacle).. There's been breeding programs and mass exterminations of undesirables since Plato's time. Obviously they can't do it as directly nowadays, but its still in the works, much more discreetly and in an accepted way. Is it always wrong? no. Is it a problem that can become completely out of hand, looking at the past history of it? yes.

Look at Thomas Robert Malthus and his Essay on the Principle of Population which brought ideas later named a Malthusian Catastrophe. It directly affected the poor, and today,as sad as it is, majority of the minorities are the poor. I'm not saying his ideas are still in use, whatever, but the fact that this was thought up and held at a high standard by people who ran things back then or had great influence and run things today or have great influence says something, to me anyway.
Darwin was an admirer of the Malthusian Catastrophe theory, and related that to his "survival of the fittest" theory. If Darwin could take something from that and produce such a work that is still debated to this day, somethng giving the belief of God and religion an argument, does it not seem plausible that today's leaders, all over the world, could be doing the same with who is in their country and the population of their countries?

Darwin's cousin, Francis Galton is the said founder of Eugenics/Biometrics, and used a lot of Darwin's ideas to build this new "science" on. That should ring a bell right there if any of you are familiar with what Eugenics is.

In 1907 the first sterilization laws were passed in the US, as a poster said making people who were deemed unfit by the then present standards to reproduce (such as intelligence, behavior, race, having low test scores, anyone with mild deformities, etc) .. Put that in play for today with how society looks at African-Americans and other minorities.

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Social workers back then were the ones that picked and chose who would have their kids taken away and who would be sterilized.

Back to the video, Margaret Sanger said herself in a letter to someone who's name I cant remember, that Black leaders would need to be recruited to act as front men in sterilization programs directed at black communities. The Same Margaret Sanger that is the founder of today's Planned Parenthood.

Now skipping over the Eugenics history (starting in 1910, its long, but interesting. Look into it), after it failed (that is also an interesting read), it branched to new projects under new names to disassociate itself from the embarrassment of what happened. The Eugenics Quarterly became Social Biology, and one, the sterilization/population control part, again, founded by Margaret Sanger (Interesting quote about her: Sanger believed in socially engineering a better race of people. She stressed birth control and abortion as tools “to create a race of thoroughbreds” by stopping the handicapped, mentally ill and minorities from breeding. In “A Plan for Peace” she proposed a congressional department to “apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring), which was originally named The American Birth Control League, became Planned Parenthood.

True, no one is forcing these women to get abortions NOW, but the way they do things, promoting PP and abortions in urban neighborhoods, not giving you other options or making those other options such as adoption etc seem unrealistic, or just making abortion the easiest way out has to be taken into consideration, and why. Especially where PP really stems from. I do commend them for promoting safe sex, birth control, testing and other things they do to help the community and people in general. Yes, abortion is a woman's right, and we are all entitled to that, but its a lot deeper than just having that option readily available to us. Most don't think too much about it because it suits them today, or that it helps them when they need it so the past doesn't matter. Or it seems unfeasible people are trying to lower/control population (which may not be the worst thing, as overpopulated as the world is, but bad in the fact of how it is now directed at a certain type of people, the poor, unwanted, mostly falling under minorities). My thing though, if its happened in the past and still ongoing in other countries in a much more extreme way, what makes us so special that it can't and isn't happening or gonna escalate again and happen here? I mean if there's good reasoning behind it, majority of people go for it. It's done today compared to the past more discreetly and/or in an "approved" way, because no one, none of the common people anyway, will go for it if its done by force, as it had been done before. Trial and error.


(Just my thoughts and what I've come across on this subject, take them as you want)

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Like I said in my post--"unless you are mentally incapable". You cannot state that every black person who turns to selling dope or getting hooked on crack falls under that category. At the end of the day, we are responsible for how we live our own lives.

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It's funny how, in all the Sanger talk, nobody wants to talk about the praise she received from the black community - including Dr. King himself.

The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. - Planned Parenthood

Cristina Page's Blog: Martin Luther King Jr. and Margaret Sanger: Allies

So...yeah. You anti-choicers, try shitting the fuck up and READING for a change.

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Actually, it should be both. Both mother and father are responsible for bring children in this world.

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i've always been pro choice. and will always be pro choice. but the older i get & the more i see the beauty in LIFE, the more the whole idea of abortion disturbs me. I would rather put women on a 5-10 yr birth control plan (IUD) than publically fund abortions.

I'm pro-life and don't belive in abortion

And that's fine if you don't believe in abortion.

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I know I'll probably be groaned by being fucking blunt as hell but I rather have a woman have an abortion who isnt fit as a mother than bring a child or children in this world then be an unfit mother by neglecting them, not raising them, not raising them, dropping them off their cousins, grandmothers, etc to go clubbing and fucking and then "oops" end up pregrant again. While those kids 9 times out of 10 end up being just like their mothers having kids outta wedlock, no education, sleeping around, and in proverty or in prison or killed.