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Why are so many black women baby mamas?
Originally Posted by John Prester
So you're fighting ignorance with classism?
Saying black people aren't monolithic is classism? oh ok...you learn something new everyday
Saying black people aren't monolithic is classism? oh ok...you learn something new everyday
No, I just don't think associating an issue that negatively affects all sorts of black women with "rainbow-wearing low class sect" is any kind of progress. It just seems like a deflection steeped in classism.
No, I just don't think associating an issue that negatively affects all sorts of black women with "rainbow-wearing low class sect" is any kind of progress. It just seems like a deflection steeped in classism.
All black women shouldn't be grouped together because we are not monolithic. Me and my community are not part of that epidemic so we shouldn't be insulted because we have the same color of skin as a person who chooses a different path in life. It should be acknowledged and recognized that women of every color in America share this issue and that there are communities of black women who don't participate in out of wedlock births.
All black women shouldn't be grouped together because we are not monolithic. Me and my community are not part of that epidemic so we shouldn't be insulted because we have the same color of skin as a person who chooses a different path in life. It should be acknowledged and recognized that women of every color in America share this issue and that there are communities of black women who don't participate in out of wedlock births.
You might enjoy the book Disintegration the Splintering of Black America, by Eugene Robinson. He does a better than good job of discussing how the Black community is splitting among class/social/moral/values line, and makes the argument that the BC as a monolith no longer exists. He proposes 4 distinct groups, although I think there are more than that. Worth the read.
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Re: Why are so many black women baby mamas?
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Originally Posted by BALI BABY
You might enjoy the book Disintegration the Splintering of Black America, by Eugene Robinson. He does a better than good job of discussing how the Black community is splitting among class/social/moral/values line, and makes the argument that the BC as a monolith no longer exists. He proposes 4 distinct groups, although I think there are more than that. Worth the read.
I read that book several months ago and it was definitely a good read. I like his political commentary on MSNBC too.
All black women shouldn't be grouped together because we are not monolithic. Me and my community are not part of that epidemic so we shouldn't be insulted because we have the same color of skin as a person who chooses a different path in life. It should be acknowledged and recognized that women of every color in America share this issue and that there are communities of black women who don't participate in out of wedlock births.
What community would that be? Is that what you meant by "middle/upper class"? If so, that community is too large and varied for you to be making the statements you did. And yes, it's obvious the black community is not a monolith. I think that's a redundant point to make in this thread. I also don't see the point of screaming how much better off "your blacks" are than "those blacks" from the mountaintops. There are "rainbow haired" black women who don't participate in OOW births either, so there are no amount of hairs you can split to satisfy everyone.
You might enjoy the book Disintegration the Splintering of Black America, by Eugene Robinson. He does a better than good job of discussing how the Black community is splitting among class/social/moral/values line, and makes the argument that the BC as a monolith no longer exists. He proposes 4 distinct groups, although I think there are more than that. Worth the read.
Thanks for the suggestion doll! Sounds like a good read, I'm defiantly adding it to my list
What community would that be? Is that what you meant by "middle/upper class"? If so, that community is too large and varied for you to be making the statements you did. And yes, it's obvious the black community is not a monolith. I think that's a redundant point to make in this thread. I also don't see the point of screaming how much better off "your blacks" are than "those blacks" from the mountaintops. There are "rainbow haired" black women who don't participate in OOW births either, so there are no amount of hairs you can split to satisfy everyone.
The community of blacks as in the area I live in. It's southern, predominately black, the average income is $96,000, we built this community; our community isn't the same as say the upperclass black community of ladera heights on the west coast, so when I say community I'm referring to a group of people living in one place. Every middle/upperclass black person doesn't live in the same community. You are correct that you can't please everyone but you also can't generalize everyone. Theres a meth epidemic going on in the white community amongst upper and lower class but you'll never hear them assume every white person does it.
All I'm asking for is for the efforts of the black people who choose family to be recognized; don't demean us with the rest. Fix the problem where it needs to be fixed without making the entire black race look bad.
You might enjoy the book Disintegration the Splintering of Black America, by Eugene Robinson. He does a better than good job of discussing how the Black community is splitting among class/social/moral/values line, and makes the argument that the BC as a monolith no longer exists. He proposes 4 distinct groups, although I think there are more than that. Worth the read.
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So you're lumping ALL black women together as if they're monolithic and not acknowlding the fact that there is a bird brained, rainbow hair wearing, low class sect of black women who give not a single fuck and there are groups of black women who grew up middle/upper class, are educated, and CHOOSE to get married before having children?
That shit right there is insulting, it's insulting to those of us who choose different paths in life and will have families to be stereotyped and thrown in with women I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole all because the only thing we share is skin color.
Every woman in my family who has a child is married, all of my childhood friends came from two parent households, so for you to generalize all black women is ridiculous...speak for yourself and your community boo not all black people.
Knee jerk reactions solve nothing.
I know you wish it was all the "rainbow weave wearers".
Tell me is being a bird brain and being low class rainbow weave wearer mutually exclusive? I think not. Which means a chick from any class can be come a "baby mama".
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i work in external affairs for a state/govt funded health insurance and its amazing the amount of unmarried women with children AKA baby mamas that are NON BLACK!. those indian women from india, those muslim/arab women, and immigrant spanish women are leading the pack trust me!
the indian, muslim and arab women are not married by US terms some have whatever cultural ceremony their people do then they proceed to go the welfare, wic, food stamp office and get their benefits. the mexicans, el salavadorians, columbian, peruvians etc are not married either and they stay sharing men and getting pregnant. Married? they cant even get a green card much less be legally married in the US.
its easy to say there are so many black women who are single parents as opposed to other races and cultures because it is what you see in your community. In other groups their cultures and practices are closed off to the average person so you dont see, hear or know about it.
they may say "thats my husband but they are not married legally by US terms".
I've never heard of this. Do you have any proof or is this based off personal life experience?
It's harder to track statistics for Arab/Muslims because they are identified as White. However for (Asian) Indians, it is quite easy to check the facts:
- 67% of Indians are married
- More than 70% of Indian households are married-couple families
- Among all the detailed Asian groups, Asian-Indian and Asian-Pakistani have the lowest percentage of female-householder families with no husband present (3.8% and 3.6%)
- Asian Indian men also had the highest year-round median earnings ($51,900) followed by the Japanese.
The statistics given here make your scenario seem unlikely. But if you have more recent statistics or some other links, please provide them.
ABOUT THE TOPIC: Generalizations never make any sense. Some Black women are "baby mamas," but there are many more who are NOT. It is not fair to lump an entire race of women together and label them something negative like this. I bet if the "baby mama" phenomenon was studied through a socio-economic lens instead of a racial one, they would find very little difference between different races of women and see that it has nothing to do with race at all.
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I know you wish it was all the "rainbow weave wearers".
Tell me is being a bird brain and being low class rainbow weave wearer mutually exclusive? I think not. Which means a chick from any class can be come a "baby mama".
You're correct, anyone with a working uterus black, white, yellow or otherwise can be become a single mother; but what I'm trying to get at is there are groups of black women who choose not to. I'm not going to become a baby mama and I'm black, like I said you speak for YOUR community not all black people, I won't let you sit here and tell me every black woman you encounter aspires to be a single parent. No bueno!
There are communities of black people, especially in the south that don't play that kids out of marriage shit and I happen to live in one of them. I don't know how common they are or where every single one is but I know they exists.
But you can believe what you'd like....me and my community will continue to do the right thing and prove people like you who think the worst of black people wrong.
I've never heard of this. Do you have any proof or is this based off personal life experience?
It's harder to track statistics for Arab/Muslims because they are identified as White. However for (Asian) Indians, it is quite easy to check the facts:
- 67% of Indians are married
- More than 70% of Indian households are married-couple families
- Among all the detailed Asian groups, Asian-Indian and Asian-Pakistani have the lowest percentage of female-householder families with no husband present (3.8% and 3.6%)
- Asian Indian men also had the highest year-round median earnings ($51,900) followed by the Japanese.
The statistics given here make your scenario seem unlikely. But if you have more recent statistics or some other links, please provide them.
ABOUT THE TOPIC: Generalizations never make any sense. Some Black women are "baby mamas," but there are many more who are NOT. It is not fair to lump an entire race of women together and label them something negative like this. I bet if the "baby mama" phenomenon was studied through a socio-economic lens instead of a racial one, they would find very little difference between different races of women and see that it has nothing to do with race at all.
Maybe they are afraid to be alone, and thus the low level quality of men who do approach are just that(kwim)? Plus society doesn't have any shame for such people, not the way they did during my grandparents' era. My grandmother's cousin gave up a baby for adoption because it was quite the scandal to be knocked up and pregnant without a husband. I also believe men play a part in this as well. When the DBR men don't have men around to show them how to be fathers, and not to run away from that responsibility, well-you see the fruit of that now. JMHO and yes I did get the DBR term from Evia!
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