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The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden... Is Screwed For the first time, the Navy SEAL who killed Osama bin Laden tells his story — speaking not just about the

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The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden... Is Screwed

For the first time, the Navy SEAL who killed Osama bin Laden tells his story — speaking not just about the raid and the three shots that changed history, but about the personal aftermath for himself and his family. And the startling failure of the United States government to help its most experienced and skilled warriors carry on with their lives.

BY PHIL BRONSTEIN

Published in the March 2013 issue

Phil Bronstein is the former editor of the San Francisco Chronicle and currently serves as executive chairman of the Center for Investigative Reporting. This piece was reported in cooperation with CIR.

The original version of this story did not include a few sentences that ran in the issue printed last week. We regret the production error.

The man who shot and killed Osama bin Laden sat in a wicker chair in my backyard, wondering how he was going to feed his wife and kids or pay for their medical care.

It was a mild spring day, April 2012, and our small group, including a few of his friends and family, was shielded from the sun by the patchwork shadows of maple trees. But the Shooter was sweating as he talked about his uncertain future, his plans to leave the Navy and SEAL Team 6.

He stood up several times with an apologetic gripe about the heat, leaving a perspiration stain on the seat-back cushion. He paced. I didn't know him well enough then to tell whether a glass of his favorite single malt, Lagavulin, was making him less or more edgy.

We would end up intimately familiar with each other's lives. We'd have dinners, lots of Scotch. He's played with my kids and my dogs and been a hilarious, engaging gentleman around my wife.

In my yard, the Shooter told his story about joining the Navy at nineteen, after a girl broke his heart. To escape, he almost by accident found himself in a Navy recruiter's office. "He asked me what I was going to do with my life. I told him I wanted to be a sniper.

"He said, 'Hey, we have snipers.'

"I said, 'Seriously, dude. You do not have snipers in the Navy.' But he brought me into his office and it was a pretty sweet deal. I signed up on a whim."

"That's the reason Al Qaeda has been decimated," he joked, "because she broke my fucking heart."

I would come to know about the Shooter's hundreds of combat missions, his twelve long-term SEAL-team deployments, his thirty-plus kills of enemy combatants, often eyeball to eyeball. And we would talk for hours about the mission to get bin Laden and about how, over the celebrated corpse in front of them on a tarp in a hangar in Jalalabad, he had given the magazine from his rifle with all but three lethally spent bullets left in it to the female CIA analyst whose dogged intel work and intuition led the fighters into that night.

When I was first around him, as he talked I would always try to imagine the Shooter geared up and a foot away from bin Laden, whose life ended in the next moment with three shots to the center of his forehead. But my mind insisted on rendering the picture like a bad Photoshop job — Mao's head superimposed on the Yangtze, or tourists taking photos with cardboard presidents outside the White House.

Bin Laden was, after all, the man CIA director Leon Panetta called "the most infamous terrorist in our time," who devoured inordinate amounts of our collective cultural imagery for more than a decade. The number-one celebrity of evil. And the man in my backyard blew his lights out.

ST6 in particular is an enterprise requiring extraordinary teamwork, combined with more kinds of support in the field than any other unit in the history of the U.S. military.

Similarly, NASA marshaled thousands of people to put a man on the moon, and history records that Neil Armstrong first set his foot there, not the equally talented Buzz Aldrin.

Enough people connected to the SEALs and the bin Laden mission have confirmed for me that the Shooter was the "number two" behind the raid's point man going up the stairs to bin Laden's third-floor residence, and that he is the one who rolled through the bedroom door solo and confronted the surprisingly tall terrorist pushing his youngest wife, Amal, in front of him through the pitch-black room. The Shooter had to raise his gun higher than he expected.

The point man is the only one besides the Shooter who could verify the kill shots firsthand, and he did just that to another SEAL I spoke with. But even the point man was not in the room then, having tackled two women into the hallway, a crucial and heroic decision given that everyone living in the house was presumed to be wearing a suicide vest.

But a series of confidential conversations, detailed descriptions of mission debriefs, and other evidence make it clear: The Shooter's is the most definitive account of those crucial few seconds, and his account, corroborated by multiple sources, establishes him as the last man to see Osama bin Laden alive. Not in dispute is the fact that others have claimed that they shot bin Laden when he was already dead, and a number of team members apparently did just that.

What is much harder to understand is that a man with hundreds of successful war missions, one of the most decorated combat veterans of our age, who capped his career by terminating bin Laden, has no landing pad in civilian life.

Back in April, he and some of his SEAL Team 6 colleagues had formed the skeleton of a company to help them transition out of the service. In my yard, he showed everyone his business-card mock-ups. There was only a subtle inside joke reference to their team in the company name.

Unlike former SEAL Team 6 member Matt Bissonnette (No Easy Day), they do not rush to write books or step forward publicly, because that violates the code of the "quiet professional." Someone suggested they might sell customized sunglasses and other accessories special operators often invent and use in the field. It strains credulity that for a commando team leader who never got a single one of his men hurt on a mission, sunglasses would be his best option. And it's a simple truth that those who have been most exposed to harrowing danger for the longest time during our recent unending wars now find themselves adrift in civilian life, trying desperately to adjust, often scrambling just to make ends meet.

At the time, the Shooter's uncle had reached out to an executive at Electronic Arts, hoping that the company might need help with video-game scenarios once the Shooter retired. But the uncle cannot mention his nephew's distinguishing feature as the one who put down bin Laden.

Secrecy is a thick blanket over our Special Forces that inelegantly covers them, technically forever. The twenty-three SEALs who flew into Pakistan that night were directed by their command the day they got back stateside about acting and speaking as though it had never happened.

"Right now we are pretty stacked with consultants," the video-game man responded. "Thirty active and recently retired guys" for one game: Medal of Honor Warfighter. In fact, seven active-duty Team 6 SEALs would later be punished for advising EA while still in the Navy and supposedly revealing classified information. (One retired SEAL, a participant in the bin Laden raid, was also involved.)

With the focus and precision he's learned, the Shooter waits and watches for the right way to exit, and adapt. Despite his foggy future, his past is deeply impressive. This is a man who is very pleased about his record of service to his country and has earned the respect of his peers.

"He's taken monumental risks," says the Shooter's dad, struggling to contain the frustration that roughs the edges of his deep pride in his son. "But he's unable to reap any reward."

It's not that there isn't one. The U.S. government put a $25 million bounty on bin Laden that no one is likely to collect. Certainly not the SEALs who went on the mission nor the support and intelligence experts who helped make it all possible. Technology is the key to success in this case more than people, Washington officials have said.

The Shooter doesn't care about that. "I'm not religious, but I always felt I was put on the earth to do something specific. After that mission, I knew what it was."

Others also knew, from the commander-in-chief on down. The bin Laden shooting was a staple of presidential-campaign brags. One big-budget movie, several books, and a whole drawerful of documentaries and TV films have fortified the brave images of the Shooter and his ST6 Red Squadron members.

There is commerce attached to the mission, and people are capitalizing. Just not the triggerman. While others collect, he is cautious and careful not to dishonor anyone. His manners come at his own expense.

"No one who fights for this country overseas should ever have to fight for a job," Barack Obama said last Veterans' Day, "or a roof over their head, or the care that they have earned when they come home."

But the Shooter will discover soon enough that when he leaves after sixteen years in the Navy, his body filled with scar tissue, arthritis, tendonitis, eye damage, and blown disks, here is what he gets from his employer and a grateful nation:

Nothing. No pension, no health care, and no protection for himself or his family.

Since Abbottabad, he has trained his children to hide in their bathtub at the first sign of a problem as the safest, most fortified place in their house. His wife is familiar enough with the shotgun on their armoire to use it. She knows to sit on the bed, the weapon's butt braced against the wall, and precisely what angle to shoot out through the bedroom door, if necessary. A knife is also on the dresser should she need a backup.

Then there is the "bolt" bag of clothes, food, and other provisions for the family meant to last them two weeks in hiding.

"Personally," his wife told me recently, "I feel more threatened by a potential retaliatory terror attack on our community than I did eight years ago," when her husband joined ST6.

When the White House identified SEAL Team 6 as those responsible, camera crews swarmed into their Virginia Beach neighborhood, taking shots of the SEALs' homes.

After bin Laden's face appeared on their TV in the days after the killing, the Shooter cautioned his older child not to mention the Al Qaeda leader's name ever again "to anybody. It's a bad name, a curse name." His kid started referring to him instead as "Poopyface." It's a story he told affectionately on that April afternoon visit to my home.

He loves his kids and tears up only when he talks about saying goodbye to them before each and every deployment. "It's so much easier when they're asleep," he says, "and I can just kiss them, wondering if this is the last time." He's thrilled to show video of his oldest in kick-boxing class. And he calls his wife "the perfect mother."

In fact, the couple is officially separated, a common occurrence in ST6. SEAL marriages can be perilous. Husbands and fathers have been mostly away from their families since 9/11. But the Shooter and his wife continue to share a house on very friendly, even loving terms, largely to save money.

"We're actually looking into changing my name," the wife says. "Changing the kids' names, taking my husband's name off the house, paying off our cars. Essentially deleting him from our lives, but for safety reasons. We still love each other."

When the family asked about any kind of government protection should the Shooter's name come out, they were advised that they could go into a witness-protection-like program.

Just as soon as the Department of Defense creates one.

"They [SEAL command] told me they could get me a job driving a beer truck in Milwaukee" under an assumed identity. Like Mafia snitches, they would not be able to contact their families or friends. "We'd lose everything."

"These guys have millions of dollars' worth of knowledge and training in their heads," says one of the group at my house, a former SEAL and mentor to the Shooter and others looking to make the transition out of what's officially called the Naval Special Warfare Development Group. "All sorts of executive function skills. That shouldn't go to waste."

The mentor himself took a familiar route —through Blackwater, then to the CIA, in both organizations as a paramilitary operator in Afghanistan.

Private security still seems like the smoothest job path, though many of these guys, including the Shooter, do not want to carry a gun ever again for professional use. The deaths of two contractors in Benghazi, both former SEALs the mentor knew, remind him that the battlefield risks do not go away.

By the time the Shooter visited me that first time in April, I had come to know more of the human face of what's called Tier One Special Operations, in addition to the extraordinary skill and icy resolve. It is a privileged, consuming, and concerning look inside one of the most insular clubs on earth.

And I understood that he would face a world very different from the supportive one President Obama described at Arlington National Cemetery a few months before.

As I watched the Shooter navigate obstacles very different from the ones he faced so expertly in four war zones around the globe, I wondered: Is this how America treats its heroes? The ones President Obama called "the best of the best"? The ones Vice-President Biden called "the finest warriors in the history of the world"?


You can read the rest here: Man Who Killed Osama Bin Laden - Treatment of Veteran Who Shot bin Laden - Esquire


 
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The Shooter Speaks: A Q&A with the Man Who Killed Bin Laden February 11, 2013 7 PM by Phil Bronstein

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One of many interviews Phil Bronstein of the Center for Investigative Reporting conducted with the Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden.

READ: "The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden... Is Screwed" >> AND WATCH: A Video Based on the Interview >>

Did you think your life would change when this happened?

Yeah. I still didn't know if it would be good or bad. I didn't know which way it would go.

The good was having done something great for my country, for the guys, for the people in New York. It was closure.

And the bad?

He was their prophet. Now we killed him, and I have to worry about this forever. Al Qaeda, especially these days, is 99 percent talk. But that 1 percent of the time they do shit. It's bad. They're capable of horrific things.

We started de-briefing and that's when they started bringing up the idea of the Witness Protection Program. And they still are.

They told me they could get me a job driving a beer truck in Milwaukee. like any whistleblower in the Mafia. We'd lose everything.

Imagine tomorrow that there's a story somewhere in the national press. Here are the guys who were on the mission. You hear their real names. You're on all the jihadi websites. What do you think is going to happen?

The command would try to round up the families and get them somewhere safe.

But that's it. That's totally reactive. If someone attacks a family, you're not going to have time to assemble a group to go get them. Who would they send anyway?

I told my ex-wife to put the kids in the tub and grab the shotgun. Put it against the wall, so it doesn't hurt your shoulder, and when they get to the door, shoot at the door, shit like that, until I can reinforce the door. Basically she needs to barricade herself in until the cops arrive. And even if the cops arrive and the threats are serious. They're not going to be a match for these guys, either, if they came at my family with what they are capable of.

She has a packed suitcase with all the things the family needs for four days, and it just sits there. My kids have a fucking bolt bag — that's what I call it — it's packed. And if something comes out, I call her, [tell her to] get in the fucking car, grab the suitcases, and just go.

And what about you? What's the plan for you?

I don't really have a plan. As arrogant as it sounds, I'm not afraid of these fucking guys.

Like you're ready for anything. "Everything and anything" is the quote for the SEALS, right?

Right.

But you're not ready for this, right?

I don't have the resources.

If you had the resources, what would you do?

I would build a high-security house, with a high security fence. Change their names, move them somewhere, and watch my route when I go see them.

But then you're going to have paparazzi and all that shit.

Yeah.

You ever dealt with that?

No. I don't know how to deal with that.

The big mission changed a lot of attitudes, around the command. A certain number of guys got picked. But because the other guys didn't get picked, there's a lot of jealousy. There were suspicions about whether anyone was selling out.

I deployed again to Afghanistan to show I wasn't a douchebag, that I'm still part of this team and believe in what we're doing.

My feeling now has changed, which is part of the reason I got out. A lot of the missions they're going on are going to be a waste of really good lives.

When I started separating from the life in March — after my deployment — it was the jump trip, the training jumps. The more I got away from it, I started to realize that even jumping is like, Shit, that's kind of dangerous. You put a bundle on, and you jump out of a plane with a 500-pound barrel attached to you. I don't have a desire to do that anymore. And then I started thinking about the combat, and, Holy shit, we were just sticking it out there for years. This was a dangerous job. And the further I got away, [I thought] Holy shit, these guys are crazy.

I was burned out. I'm done. I left SEALS on [a] Friday. They're starting to see guys leave, and we're going to see more of it.

The government doesn't want us talking about anything. So, basically, I leave the Navy and I can't say anything. Here I am without a degree and sixteen years of doing nothing.

I'm sorry for the last sixteen years I've been doing this, and I didn't have a chance to read the same book everyone else is reading to get a fucking degree. But that's the fear of not being marketable.

So you want to have a degree, what else?

Health care is a need. I still have the same bills I had in the Navy. I need to find employment.

I'd like to do something that has nothing to do with my past. I don't want to carry a gun. I don't have a need for excitement anymore. Honestly.

In five years what I'd like to do is have a platform for guys who are in the same position as me right now. To be able to come out and get work in a field they want, and then I'd like to have a foundation for the families as well. Families of guys from SEAL Team 6 that have died.

And you're just going to say you're a SEAL —that's the plan?

The term "SEAL Team 6" is going to be declassified, and I'm thinking it technically already is because of the people saying it so much.

It's like you've got talented, dedicated, brave guys. I mean, there is nothing classified about that. What do you think they're concerned about? Giving the enemy information? It's all out there.

Yeah, I don't understand. The secrecy is kind of dead. The Pakistanis got to comb that house after we were there. They could tell everything that happened.

What do your kids know — did you talk to them about this mission?

They know I shoot bad guys. When I got back, I was sitting on the couch one day, and all the news is covering this. My kid says his name out loud, and I said: "You need to not say that name ever again, anywhere to anybody. It's a bad name. It's a curse name. So we were sitting there again, and his face came up, and my kid said, so proud, "Dad, look, it's Poopyface."

A year after Bin Laden's death, I had the kids up at a water park. We were getting changed to go play in the water. I was watching CNN, and they were saying, "So now we're taking viewer emails. Do you remember where you were when you found out Osama bin Laden was dead?" And I was thinking, "Of course, I remember exactly where I was. I was in his bedroom, looking down at his body."


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While I sympathize with his personal struggles, WHY DOES EVERYBODY WANT TO TALK?! My goodness! It used to be military shooters did their job and kept quiet. Now people are writing books and conducting interviews. Seems dangerous to me.
As a worker for the press (relax everyone, not gossip mags), I think we need people like this to talk. It's important for Americans to know the truth, however unpleasant it is because the stories are what rile people to demand change.


 
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This makes no sense. How does one not know this BEFORE retiring. Before one retires there are a set of questions that should be asked- medical insurance, impending income, pension, etc. Did they not divulge this info or did he not ask? For some retiring sounds nice but it's not always feasible.

How can you be in the military that long with all of those resources and not have a marketable skill?
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While it sucks everyone else seems to be able to cash in and he cannot, it is his job to maintain confidentiality even when you happen to be a part of a mission killing an international fugitive who is a once and a lifetime historical public figure. He must not have common sense. I know dayum well he knew the consequences of resigning before he is eligible for retirement. He would have been better of saying he has post-traumatic stress and hope to get disability in he high percentile rate...he should have hung in there...he is definitely dumb if he thought there was a loophole for him to hit the cash cow..he shouldofdone his homework.

Seems he could have been a prime candidate for a high ranking civil service job.
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As a worker for the press (relax everyone, not gossip mags), I think we need people like this to talk. It's important for Americans to know the truth, however unpleasant it is because the stories are what rile people to demand change.
I disagree. It is important for OPSEC (operational security) to be maintained. Spec Op units are not supposed to talk about their missions because we don't need to let the enemy know how we operate. These guys are skating on thin ice trying to only talk about what is declassified. Better to just keep their mouths shut like the rest of the professionals that are part of SOCOM.


 
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You guys should read the entire Esquire article. He's not asking for a handout or sympathy. He fears for his safety and his children's future. I think the military should have some kind of system in place for transitioning out. Firstly, there was something like a $25 million bounty on bin Laden's head. Some of that money can go towards this man's health and living expenses.

Secondly, soldiers suffer from PTSD and other mental health problems at a much higher rate than the general pop that prevents them from just re-entering society as productive individuals. A One in three homeless men in America are veterans. That's not a coinccidence. It's not exactly the same as you quitting your receptionist job at IBM.

Third, unless you've committed to dying in the line of duty, his job is nothing like yours. He will be hunted for the rest of his life and will live in constant fear of being exposed as the guy who shot bin Laden. If it weren't for guys like him signing up for this, the rest of us would be involuntarily drafted so it's in everybody's best interest not to screw these guys over after they gave up everything for the gov't.

Yall make it sound like he's tryna get to Hollywood when actually he's considering going into witness protection, doesn't allow his children to even say the name bin Laden for fear of his secret being discovered and couldn't even get a job as a video game consultant with Electronic Arts. Sheesh. It's called expository journalism. Not everyone is trying to get 15 mins of fame.
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If the White House didn't put Team Six on blast after the mission nobody would know who any of these guys are. Then they go on and start writing books which really puts them out in the public! Again, if they kept their mouths shut they wouldn't have to worry about any retaliation because nobody (except for others in the socom community) would have a clue what they do/did for a living.

It's likely that other teams were involved during the mission. I doubt you'll hear them talking about being worried about retaliation... because nobody knows anything about them!!


 
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Trust me these guys have a lot of oppertunities. The idea of not being a contractor limits them a little bit, but I chose not to be a "security contractor" and I now sit behind a desk those cats could do the same and they know it. In fact yesterday we had a meeting on how to get more shooters to join my agency.

Basically what these guys are mad about is that they didn't get to cash in. People who retired just a few years before are millioniares. Those oppertunites are drying up (a little) There's also plenty of jobs right in their unit in the first deck several are on USAJOBS
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He should apply for a position at Academi, previously known as Xe Services LLC, Blackwater USA and Blackwater Worldwide.

Someone must know someone that can get him a paper pushing position, pronto.


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Something about his story isn't true.

If he RETIRED he would have gone through a retirement briefing where it lays out how much you will get monthly and your medical benefits.

But, it seems to me as though he SEPARATED. Two different things. When you seperate, you are essentially quitting and usually, depending on the circumstances you don't get any medical or monthly benefits.

If he was medically retired, due to PTSD, he would receive a check and medical for his family every month.
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While it sucks everyone else seems to be able to cash in and he cannot, it is his job to maintain confidentiality even when you happen to be a part of a mission killing an international fugitive who is a once and a lifetime historical public figure. He must not have common sense. I know dayum well he knew the consequences of resigning before he is eligible for retirement. He would have been better of saying he has post-traumatic stress and hope to get disability in he high percentile rate...he should have hung in there...he is definitely dumb if he thought there was a loophole for him to hit the cash cow..he shouldofdone his homework.

Seems he could have been a prime candidate for a high ranking civil service job.
He has that and several other unforseeable health issues that make his returning to duty extremely difficult. I can appreciate wanting adults to have foresight into what they're doing. But I can't see how the government can ask 19 or 20 year olds to decide they'll put their lives on the line for 20 years and then act all righteously indignant when (after several years of outstanding service) the guy has the nerve to ask for pension and COBRA.
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This makes no sense. How does one not know this BEFORE retiring. Before one retires there are a set of questions that should be asked- medical insurance, impending income, pension, etc. Did they not divulge this info or did he not ask? For some retiring sounds nice but it's not always feasible.

How can you be in the military that long with all of those resources and not have a marketable skill?
all military branches give you a skill that can be transitioned into outside work. So his story has me scratching my head.....also,no VA benefits .....ie every service member can get VA benies....this I know firsthand. My brother bearly had 6 yrs in and is on VA benies .....when I got out,they told me to sign up for VA benies.....which included educational awards,housing and a host of other military benefits.Iam side-eyeing this story as another one of those put out by some seeking to dishonor military service. We who serve and have served dont do it for the cash out most times...we do it for the pride in the service. Its a shame this person now feels like he/she wasted the 16 yrs in the military. But their transition isnt as hard as he likes to pretend.


 
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I disagree. It is important for OPSEC (operational security) to be maintained. Spec Op units are not supposed to talk about their missions because we don't need to let the enemy know how we operate. These guys are skating on thin ice trying to only talk about what is declassified. Better to just keep their mouths shut like the rest of the professionals that are part of SOCOM.
The government cannot censor the press by any means BEFORE a story goes to print. If they feel it contains information that is threatening to national security, the article will be pulled and the publication will be sued.

However, I don't recall any declassified info in this article. It seems as if the serviceman was discussing the lack of concern for his welfare AFTER release. In that case, all Americans' right to dissent against government in a public forum overrides "national security concerns" - there's a high burden of proof on the government for censorship in the U.S.

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all military branches give you a skill that can be transitioned into outside work. So his story has me scratching my head.....also,no VA benefits .....ie every service member can get VA benies....this I know firsthand. My brother bearly had 6 yrs in and is on VA benies .....when I got out,they told me to sign up for VA benies.....which included educational awards,housing and a host of other military benefits.Iam side-eyeing this story as another one of those put out by some seeking to dishonor military service. We who serve and have served dont do it for the cash out most times...we do it for the pride in the service. Its a shame this person now feels like he/she wasted the 16 yrs in the military. But their transition isnt as hard as he likes to pretend.
Thank you because none of this makes a lick of sense. I'm not buying his woe is me sob story. I know tons of military personnel who have effortlessly transitioned into civilian life.
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