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BEHIND THE VEIL: Never-Before-Seen Footage of Secret Mormon Temple Rituals
BEHIND THE VEIL: Never-Before-Seen Footage of Secret Mormon Temple Rituals - YouTube
BEHIND THE VEIL: Never-Before-Seen Footage of Secret Mormon Temple Rituals - YouTube
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Mormon temple ceremonies are
Mormon temple ceremonies are a closely held secret. Until now.
For the first time in the 170+ year history of secret Mormon temple activity, those activities have been captured on film with a hidden camera.
Watch with your own eyes the sworn oath, known as the "Law of Consecration," that US Presidential candidate Mitt Romney has raised his arm to the square and vowed to obey, an oath that requires faithful Mormons to consecrate 100% of their current AND FUTURE time, talents and everything they will ever be blessed with, to the Mormon church and it's goal to achieve a worldwide theocracy headed by Mormons.
Again, Mormonism is NOT just another branch of christianity. It is a distinct religion which incorporates the abrahamic story, maybe like Islam, but it is not christianity.
Former Mormon Apostle, Bruce R. McConkie, stated that "[t]he law of consecration is that we consecrate our time, our talents, and our money and property to the cause of the Church: such are to be available to the extent they are needed to further the Lord's interests on earth."
This video is the Law of Consecration ceremony which is a secret Mormon temple ritual. The book the guy is holding up, which these people are pledging allegiance to is a mormon book called the Doctrine and Covenants, it is not the Bible.
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That was....strange for a worship service, so sterile. Interesting that called God Elahim, yet people talk ish about muslims saying Allah. And an oath of vengance against the U.S?? Really???
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That was....strange for a worship service, so sterile. Interesting that called God Elahim, yet people talk ish about muslims saying Allah. .
Yea, I never understood where the whole Allah is a moon god thing came from. As much as it pains them, Muslims, Christians and Jews DO worship the same god.
The Jews call him Elohim, Jesus who spoke, Aramaic called him Elaha and the Muslims as Allah. Three peas in a pod, if you ask me.
I think Mormonism broke off from Christianity a long time , however a lot of the fundamentals are still Christian in origin. Until they change them, they will always be considered a sect of Christianity.
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<------mormon.
this isnt real. there is no way temple rituals CAN be filmed since there is no way to sneak a camera into the temple. Plus, that isnt the ritual in the first place.
that being said, Mormons are christians. It is called the church of JESUS CHRIST of latter day saints for crying out loud......
lemme tell you this, the mormon crowd? sure they are just people, and every group will have some wierdo's in it, but byand large? they are the most boring, devout, clean cut bunch you will ever see. They are just good people, in general.
Just because a mormon is running against obama is no reason to try to demonize the church.
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Originally Posted by Twinfist
<------mormon.
this isnt real. there is no way temple rituals CAN be filmed since there is no way to sneak a camera into the temple. Plus, that isnt the ritual in the first place.
that being said, Mormons are christians. It is called the church of JESUS CHRIST of latter day saints for crying out loud......
lemme tell you this, the mormon crowd? sure they are just people, and every group will have some wierdo's in it, but byand large? they are the most boring, devout, clean cut bunch you will ever see. They are just good people, in general.
Just because a mormon is running against obama is no reason to try to demonize the church.
This is complete BS. What do you mean there is no way to sneak a camera into the temple? You can sneak a camera in anywhere. And based on the comments under the video from mormons, most of them confirm that it is real. You can also find dozens of ex-mormons testifying to what happens in a temple ceremony on youtube, and all of these things are real. Of course if you ever participate in the temple ritual and you are still a mormon, you have to lie about what happens there (i.e. "lying for the lord"), and can't reveal anything. Plus there are mormons who don't know what goes on in the temple rituals because they have not underwent the endowment ceremony yet. Are you one of them?
Are you saying you don't have to follow the Doctrine and Covenants? Do you not believe the Book of Mormon? Do you not believe that Zion is in Missouri and the Indians are the real Hebrews? If you don't believe that stuff then no you are not Mormon.
Also, please study these handshake rituals and their connectsion with masonry. Joseph Smith was almost killed by a head mason because he stole their secret practices to use in his church. All of this is public knowledge.
And no just because mormons believe in Jesus does not make the christian. Muslims also believe jesus was a prophet, and it does not make them christian. There are new age cults which believe Jesus was a savior and prophet and it doesn't make them christian. Real christians do not worship and follow books outside the bible which were written by con men (i.e. the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants etc.) I didn't say Mormons were bad people just that they are not christian.
For twinfist who says this is fake. Please look at this video by ABC news. ABC did a piece on mormonism and was invited inside a temple, but did not film the rituals. The inside of the temple is nearly identical to the film that she says is fake, including the baptism for the dead area with the 12 oxen centerpiece.
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Bosinsie, you have a lot to learn about YOUR religion!
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Originally Posted by bosinsie
Again, Mormonism is NOT just another branch of christianity. It is a distinct religion which incorporates the abrahamic story, maybe like Islam, but it is not christianity.
If you step into the UK and learn how UK Christians practice Christianity, you will find that they REJECT the notion that the God of the King James Version Bible is putting anyone in any HELL.
I bring that up because YOU have no POWER to determine who is Christian or not. If the Mormons CLAIM they are Christians, then that's what they are. The only way that we know that you are a Christian is because you CLAIM to be one. That's how Christianity works, NOW DEAL WITH IT!
Even Billy Graham has stated that Mormons are true Christians, NOW DEAL WITH IT!
--------------------------------------------------- Today's Anointed Holy Message From the Lord
Nahum 1:1 NLT
The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies!
Jesus is LOVE! Accept Him NOW! Or, God WILL KILL you LATER!
The doors to the church are now open, will you come to Jesus!
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Originally Posted by LawdHamMurcy
Bosinsie, you have a lot to learn about YOUR religion!
If you step into the UK and learn how UK Christians practice Christianity, you will find that they REJECT the notion that the God of the King James Version Bible is putting anyone in any HELL.
I bring that up because YOU have no POWER to determine who is Christian or not. If the Mormons CLAIM they are Christians, then that's what they are. The only way that we know that you are a Christian is because you CLAIM to be one. That's how Christianity works, NOW DEAL WITH IT!
Even Billy Graham has stated that Mormons are true Christians, NOW DEAL WITH IT!
--------------------------------------------------- Today's Anointed Holy Message From the Lord
Nahum 1:1 NLT
The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies!
Jesus is LOVE! Accept Him NOW! Or, God WILL KILL you LATER!
The doors to the church are now open, will you come to Jesus!
LawdHamMurcy I AM NOT CHRISTIAN. I AM AN ATHEIST. I have no dog in this fight. However, I find it ridiculous that mormons won't just admit that their religion is not christianity. If a muslim claimed that he was christian would it make it so? If I said I was christian, even though I reject the bible as true, would that make it so?
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Originally Posted by LawdHamMurcy
If you step into the UK and learn how UK Christians practice Christianity, you will find that they REJECT the notion that the God of the King James Version Bible is putting anyone in any HELL.
What the hell are you talking about?!?
I'm from the U.K. ...wanna tell me how we practice Christianity any different?
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This...
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Originally Posted by LovePeace
What the hell are you talking about?!?
I'm from the U.K. ...wanna tell me how we practice Christianity any different?
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Originally Posted by LovePeace
Such an ignoramus! Sound sooo stupid.
LovePeace, your profile name is quite the irony to your conduct on this board. You type like an LSA Christian and that is a fact. They cannot have a discussion unless they are calling someone names, hurling insults or disrespecting a LSA member's father. At any rate, to answer your question, when I was doing research on Christianity outside of the United States, one place that stood out was the UK. How does the UK practice Christianity differently that than the US?
The bottom line the mainline Christians in the UK DO NOT believe in HELL the way American Christians do.
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Originally Posted by bosinsie
LawdHamMurcy I AM NOT CHRISTIAN. I AM AN ATHEIST. I have no dog in this fight. However, I find it ridiculous that mormons won't just admit that their religion is not christianity. If a muslim claimed that he was christian would it make it so? If I said I was christian, even though I reject the bible as true, would that make it so?
Bosinsie, the thing about Christianity that throws Christians off is the fact that one becomes a Christian by CLAIMING to be a Christian. That's it! It has always been that way and it will never change.
This is why Christianity has over 30K different denominations and they all DISAGREE with each other on the quote, "critical Christian doctrines." Hence, the reason why Christiandome has:
Mormon Christians
Amish Christians
Jewish Christians
Hebrew Christians
Jehovah Witness Christians
Seventh Day Adventist Christians
Evangelical Christians
Liberal Christians
Christian Fundamentalists
Orthodox Christians
Black Hebrew Christians
Baptist Christians
Southern Baptist Christians
COGIC Christians
UMC Christians
And on and on...
The majority of these Christian sects CLAIM in some form, fashion or another that those who are not part of their group is going to HELL. But my point is, becoming a Christian is based solely on a verbal CLAIM.
A person claims to be a Christian and they are. It doesn't matter if they are a Mormon Christian, an Amish Christian or from the (FLDS) Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. All it takes to become a Christian is to CLAIM that you are one, LOL. Outside of their CLAIMS, what proof can a Christian provide that emphatically confirms beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are a Christian?
--------------------------------------------------- Today's Anointed Holy Message From the Lord
1 Corinthians 7:1
It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
Jesus is LOVE! Accept Him NOW! Or, God WILL KILL you LATER!
The doors to the church are now open, will you come to Jesus
Last edited by LawdHamMurcy; 10-22-2012 at 10:31 PM..
Reason: Christians are always hurling insults but why?
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Originally Posted by LawdHamMurcy
This...
LovePeace, you profile name is quite the irony to your conduct on this board. You type like an LSA Christian and that is a fact. They cannot have a discussion unless they are calling someone names, hurling insults or disrespecting a LSA member's father. At any rate, to answer your question, when I was doing research on Christianity outside of the United States, one place that stood out was the UK. How does the UK practice Christianity differently that than the US?
The bottom line the mainline Christians in the UK DO NOT believe in HELL the way American Christians do.
Bosinsie, the thing about Christianity that throws Christians off is the fact that one becomes a Christian by CLAIMING to be a Christian. That's it! It has always been that way and it will never change.
This is why Christianity has over 30K different denominations and they all DISAGREE with on the quote, "critical Christian doctrines." Hence, the reason why Christiandome has:
Mormon Christians
Amish Christians
Jewish Christians
Hebrew Christians
Jehovah Witness Christians
Seventh Day Adventist Christians
Evangelical Christians
Liberal Christians
Christian Fundamentalists
Orthodox Christians
Black Hebrew Christians
Baptist Christians
Southern Baptist Christians
COGIC Christians
UMC Christians
And on and on...
The majority of these Christian sects CLAIM in some form, fashion or another that those who are not part of their group is going to HELL. But my point is, becoming a Christian is based solely on a verbal CLAIM.
A person claims to be a Christian and they are. It doesn't matter if they are a Mormon Christian, an Amish Christian or from the (FLDS) Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. All it takes to become a Christian is to CLAIM that you are one, LOL. Outside of their CLAIMS, what proof can a Christian provide that emphatically confirms beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are a Christian?
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Today's Anointed Holy Message From the Lord
1 Corinthians 7:1
It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
Jesus is LOVE! Accept Him NOW! Or, God WILL KILL you LATER!
The doors to the church are now open, will you come to Jesus
Miss me with all of that rubbish!! I'm not Jesus and I've never claimed to be perfect so your last post means not a damn thing to me.
You are ignorant and your post was stupid. I will stand by that forever.
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Thanks for posting this. I've read about these rituals/ practices on an ex-Mormon forum. For all that is shown, there are more rituals that proceed those in the above videos.
After reading what the ex-Mormons had to say and watching the video, I see a few similarities to Masonic rituals; aprons, signs, tokens, processions from one room to another, secret names, etc.
One of the things that I found interesting is that the ceremony is the same whenever one attends the temple; it doesn't change. Another thing that I found out is that there are a series of things that Mormons have to do before they are even eligible to attend the temple.