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When did the real attraction between Michael and Diana Ross started?????

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I don't believe that absolutely no one can ever be allowed to know someone who's younger than them and end up marrying or dating them, unless they were already dating the younger mate amongst them when they were a minor. I don't believe that at all. I believe that in most cases, or in all cases for that matter, that couples who knew each other when one was a minor and the other was an adult don't get together until both is of age. I say this, because I don't think the younger mate who's the minor among the two would like to continue on liking and being with the older adult mate once they become an adult, because a child's mind is different from an adult's mind, thus the minor's feelings would change for the adult once they become an adult themselves. This is my opinion.

And regardless of what some of these people assume and think, they have absolutely no proof, their just speculators full of uncertain judgment. With that being, I think it's just best to go by what you can judge rightfully, which is seeing them get together when they both were of age.

And sense the topic is about MJ and Diana, I remember Diana said during the Diana Ross special in 1981, "I always knew you were going to be a giant star, I really did, but what I didn't know, what I didn't know is that you were going to get so sexy", meaning that Diana had no attraction toward MJ when he was younger, a minor, but once he became an adult she thought MJ was sexy and start to become attracted to him. When MJ was a child, she saw him as this adorable little boy, as her son. But once he became an adult, she saw him as this sexy mocha guy. That's some prove right there. Not to mention as already said before in one of me previous post, when Michael was a child, a minor, Diana was married to Bob Silberstein from 1971 - 1977, with children an all, lol, so you can't even speculate that Diana was with MJ when he was an minor. And besides, even when MJ and Diana were both of age, MJ is the one who made the first move, because it was always his dream to marry Diana, lol.
Chao :sinister:

Just because Diana said all those things, it doesn't mean she was not aware how such relationship would seem to many people. It was probably why she wanted to keep such a relationship secret. She probably understands PR better than MJ did. Diana has always been about her public image, so I can imagine her asking herself how would such a relationship look publicly and either refraining from such relationship or keeping such a relationship secret.

Btw, I personally do NOT think there is anything wrong with such a relationship as long as the normal rules regarding age of consent are followed. But as I have said that will not stop rumours and conjecture and Diana, moreso than MJ, was probably very aware of that.
 

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What about this...

As we all know This Is It was not a "new" song when it was released in 2009 after Michael's death. It is an unfinished song that Michael wrote and recorded in1983 along with songwritter Paul Anka. Now check this out, way back in the 50s Paul wrote and recorded a song called Diana about being in a relationship with an older woman

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Now this could just be a coincidence cause Paul has written many songs for big stars, but I just thought this was very interesting because of the name and lyrics of one of Paul's famous songs match up directly with Michaels 's relationship with Diana. And then Michael chosing him as a song writing partner to write a romantic song.
 

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What about this...

As we all know This Is It was not a "new" song when it was released in 2009 after Michael's death. It is an unfinished song that Michael wrote and recorded in1983 along with songwritter Paul Anka. Now check this out, way back in the 50s Paul wrote and recorded a song called Diana about being in a relationship with an older woman

Paul Anka - Diana - YouTube

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Now this could just be a coincidence cause Paul has written many songs for big stars, but I just thought this was very interesting because of the name and lyrics of one of Paul's famous songs match up directly with Michaels 's relationship with Diana. And then Michael chosing him as a song writing partner to write a romantic song.

I know there are coincidences in this world, but Michael was a great studier of the Greats, and just of people in general who were in the business before him. The simple fact MJ chose Paul Anka to do a song together with, called 'This is It', I know MJ knew about Paul's song called 'Diana', and that may be the very reason he decided to do work with Paul, all because the 'Diana' song he wrote, lol. And not only is the song named like Diana's name that attracted MJ, but the story of the song is almost identical to MJ and Diana's relationship, and that may be the reason why MJ was interested in doing work with Paul, lol. I'm not saying that this is necessarily true, but it is a possibility that it is, lol.

Another thing, I hate to say this, and please forgive me, but I think maybe MJ had witchcraft on him, because I notice all the negative songs MJ sang in his life were self fulfilled prophecies. What I find very strange is that the song 'Diana' buy Paul Anka was released in 1957, a year before MJ was even born, but the song became a true story about Diana and Michael, wow. This is why I say MJ had witchcraft on him, lol. My opinion.

Another thing I found very strange is that Diana Ross's daughter Tracee has a doll, which looks like a vodo doll to me, named 'Michael', here's the video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JiC3aAqoRI Nothing gets pass me, lol.

If you all didn't know, MJ was into a lot of magic and spells, and he was a magician, which is why he had the white glove and hat. In MJ's song 'In the Closet', there's a lyric that says:

"Touch Me There
Make The Move
Cast The Spell....."

Also in MJ's song called "She drives me wild", he talks about a mojo which is a spell:

"She got just what it takes
Got a mojo in her pocket
Got it ready just in case....."

Also in MJ's 'Threatened' song, MJ talks about a spell:

"You think you’re by yourself, but it’s my touch you felt
I’m not a ghost from Hell, but I’ve got a spell on you......"

I believe MJ was into spells and magic. If he was such into spells and magic he should cast a spell on Diana and made her marry him, lol. I'm just kidding, I do wish they married though. It was Diana's lost.
 
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To mjlover7, you are focusing too much on mj and diana age gap. I don't think that was the main problem, because those types of relationships have always existed in showbiz, even back in the 80s and 70s there were relationships where the woman was much older than man. A good example was the relationship between Victoria Principal ( Dallas) and Andy Gibb.

In the case of Diana and MJ, I think the main problem was MJ growing up around Diana and she being a second mother to him when he was young. This is where for some people the "yuck" factor comes in. And I believe Diana, if not MJ, understood some people would see this as crossing certain boundaries. Hence she would have thought twice before having any kind of romantice relationship with him and if she did have have a relationship with him she probably would have kept it hidden because women don't normally brag about having relationships with their former little charges.

I think that the age difference between Michael and Diana was one of the reasons why they never got married, especially the woman being the older one in this relationship but I think the MAIN reason as you said is the fact the Diana has known Michael from when he was a little boy and of course we know that their relationship was innocent then, more like a mentor, mother/ son relationship but that soon changed as Michael became an adult.

But up to this day, some people can't get the little Michael/ adult Diana connection out of their head, to them it doesn't matter whether Mike and Diana's relationship started when he became a grown man, some people would always see their relationship as a taboo no matter how logically you put it to them.
There will always be this concept that just because Diana had known Mike as a little boy, then it's wrong for her to be in any romantic relationship with him, I have heard comments, people saying, "Diana should have rejected/ disencourage his advances on her right from the start" but what these people don't think of is that Diana herself started to have feelings for Michael, which they see as totally immoral and wrong, to this day a lot of older Diana Ross fans wouldn't acknowledge that there could have been a romantic relationship between Mike and Diana, as they see it as totally inppropiate and wrong.

So even though the 14 years age difference did play a factor of them not getting married, I think the main problem was some people's views of the child Michael/ adult Diana connection (which I totally disagree with, as it has been said, it's alright by me as long as they were both of adult age, which they were) but there is no reasoning with some people no matter what.
 
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Review: Diana Ross at the Chicago Theatre
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Diana performing in Chicago last night, she looks great for 70 years young:love:
 

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I know there are coincidences in this world, but Michael was a great studier of the Greats, and just of people in general who were in the business before him. The simple fact MJ chose Paul Anka to do a song together with, called 'This is It', I know MJ knew about Paul's song called 'Diana', and that may be the very reason he decided to do work with Paul, all because the 'Diana' song he wrote, lol. And not only is the song named like Diana's name that attracted MJ, but the story of the song is almost identical to MJ and Diana's relationship, and that may be the reason why MJ was interested in doing work with Paul, lol. I'm not saying that this is necessarily true, but it is a possibility that it is, lol.

Another thing, I hate to say this, and please forgive me, but I think maybe MJ had witchcraft on him, because I notice all the negative songs MJ sang in his life were self fulfilled prophecies. What I find very strange is that the song 'Diana' buy Paul Anka was released in 1957, a year before MJ was even born, but the song became a true story about Diana and Michael, wow. This is why I say MJ had witchcraft on him, lol. My opinion.

Another thing I found very strange is that Diana Ross's daughter Tracee has a doll, which looks like a vodo doll to me, named 'Michael', here's the video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JiC3aAqoRI Nothing gets pass me, lol.

If you all didn't know, MJ was into a lot of magic and spells, and he was a magician, which is why he had the white glove and hat. In MJ's song 'In the Closet', there's a lyric that says:

"Touch Me There
Make The Move
Cast The Spell....."

Also in MJ's song called "She drives me wild", he talks about a mojo which is a spell:

"She got just what it takes
Got a mojo in her pocket
Got it ready just in case....."

Also in MJ's 'Threatened' song, MJ talks about a spell:

"You think you’re by yourself, but it’s my touch you felt
I’m not a ghost from Hell, but I’ve got a spell on you......"

I believe MJ was into spells and magic. If he was such into spells and magic he should cast a spell on Diana and made her marry him, lol. I'm just kidding, I do wish they married though. It was Diana's lost.

You are truly weird and delusional! :bulgy-eyes:
 
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Michael : I am totally devoted to this woman. Period.

Diana: Look how badly this boy is sprung on me!

And then in the next pic, the playfulness and seriousness are almost in reverse.


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Diana: This here be my baby!

Michael: Girl thinks she's the boss, lol, I just let her think that.
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Remember that Mike himself said that Diana taught him a lot of IMPORTANT and WONDERFUL stuff, I love to know what those important stuff are
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and I know that none of them is Ms Ross teaching Mike how to DANCE OR MOON-WALK, well!! maybe the HORIZONTAL BED DANCE
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I came across these messages on a site that happens to be discussing Michael and Diana's relationship.


*I don't care what nobody says in this forum, but I was around in the 80s, and I'm telling you Michael Jackson and Diana Ross had something going on in the late 70s to the mid 80s when she married for the second time. Anybody with eyes knew that they had a thing going on. The music industry knew about them two. I don't know why it is hard for people to believe that MJ and DR were more than friends. He said it in his OWN book that she was his mother-LOVER-sister. He ALWAYS described Diana as his mother-LOVER-friend. There's a difference between FRIENDS and LOVERS! You people are blind if you think that Michael and Diana didn't have anything going on. And that song, Dirty Diana, it was about her. If you people want to be in ****ing denial, and only look at them two as friends or brother/sister or mother/son, then you have a problem. My father knew people that had friends in the music business and they witness them two going together. If you choose to be in denial and not believe it, it's YOUR lost. I know the truth about them. Body language speaks for itself. I believe that Diana was his first xesual experience and they went on to have an affair for years. Aint no way that Michael is going o be around a beautiful woman like Diana Ross and not thinking about hitting that. PLEASE! I'm sorry, but I believe that Michael hit that*.




*Oh my God, what if there's a xes tape of those two just waiting to be found???????? if a xes tape or something like that of Michael and Miss Ross was found it would make my year! I bet anything that these two were very very hot together*.




*Mike was sex!ng Diana, make no mistake of that at all, at the time they had to keep it a secret because it wasn't popular for a much older woman (a cougar) to be with a much younger man but Mike and Diana were in love with each other but they know that that had to keep their love a secret, so make no mistake of that, Mike was a REAL MAN, he was getting it in with Ms Ross and they've been having a secret behind closed doors, in the closet secret love affair for years*.




*You know I agree with you when you said that it does bother some people the way Michael loved Diana practically all of his life, it's like an unconditionally love he had for her and there's no love stronger than an unconditional love, cause it means that a person would love you to death no matter what your faults are, it called true love
I have read from some haters saying that "what does Michael see it Diana???" and "why did he love her so blindly" maybe these haters think that Diana is not beautiful or good enough for Michael then again it might have to do with envy because they just can't/ wouldn't/ doesn't want to understand why Michael loved her that much.

PS:- You guys have got to include me when you go on the rampage to Diana's home to search for that xes tape, I am sure there's something I could help with on this mission, LOL!!!!!*.




*Diana saying that Michael was personal love of hers, seems to me that she's saying "HE WAS MY A SECRET PRIVATE LOVER, NOT TO BE SHARED WITH ANYONE", the statement sounded a bit territorial, you do not call someone you see as a son or friend "your personal love"
Diana was so effin lucky! To have Michael Joseph Jackson be COMPLETELY IN LOVE with you. He never loved any woman (besides his mother) like he loved Diana not even his ex-wives*.

*Diana was the main reason he worked with such determination to rise, the reason he turn to pets and being friends with children, the reason he turned to medication, the reason for his seclusion and at the end grasping onto straws and listening to a no good brother, the reason for all his problems and eventually his death was because of LOVE. If he could have had this woman, you would have seen a very different man and a different life, but I think he was not part of her plan. God also had other plans for him*.




*Michael was really broken hearted all his life about this... poor Mike, He tried so much to get along with his life after Diana got married, notice that he started to do all those bizarre stuff after diana got married to the norwegian guy.
ONLY Diana can tell how much he loved her.... but they respect & love each other very dearly that she would not tell us, but I really think she was the only person who can speak for Michael because she knew him more than anyone else*.




*Just can't get over the fact that Michael's personality began to change after Diana married. It is was so obvious. Just look at him during the 86 AMA's there was no glow in his eyes at all as there was just two years earlier. I mean, he wore glasses in 84 but you can tell that behind the shades he was glowing. He was more outgoing and talkitive, he was always doing interviews and out and about. Well after 86 he still was out and about sometimes but he always seemed so lonely and he started wearing surgical masks to cover his face like he really didn't want to be seen. I love Michael to death but at times his behavior was odd, but during the early to mid 80s he wasn't like that at all. But can you really blame Michael for becoming reclusive??? Michael gave everything to Diana, his mind, body, and soul and she completely basically threw it away and married someone she just met. Put yourself in Michael's shoes, would you be the same after giving so much of yourself to someone; working day and night, telling them your deepest darkest secrets that you wouldn't dare tell another soul, going on trips together away from the pressures of the world, bonding with that person's children and planning on moving to Switzerland so you could privately enjoy your lives together only to one day find out that all of that wished for, dreamed about and worked for was for nothing. The song that comes to mind is Phil Collin's "Against All Odds (Take a look at me now)" I always think that, that must have been how Michael was feeling when he found out. I am not saying that Diana was the only reason for Michael's problems but she definitely was one of the reasons. But then again, had Michael married Diana, would he have had the problems that he did???*


*It's quite sad Michael never got over Diana. He missed out on having true love with someone else because she had a place in his heart that he didn't allow to heal and move on*.


*My mind was blown away by the very deep love Michael had for Diana. Berry Gordy, Arne Naes, and other men in her life seem to love Diana superficially, but Michael's love was deep, passionately, genuine, and of course awesome! It makes me wonder whether Diana now has regrets about not loving Michael like she should have.

Although I believe in the phrase, "never say never', I can't help but say this anyway: there's no man in Diana's life would ever love her the way Michael did. She is blessed to experienced the love of a good man*.



*I think Michael never accepted that he and Diana didn't marry. He had other relationships with women, he also married twice, but Diana held a place in his heart that no other woman filled*.



*I think it is very easy for us MJ & DR fans to say that Michael should have got over Diana marrying another man but until we are in Michael's shoe, we really don't know just how much Diana marrying someone else affected him, we really don't know how he felt, yes! we knew that he was heart-broken over it but as Monique said, Michael had shared his most intimate moment/ secrets with Diana, he's been in love with her since he was a little boy, if the love he had for Diana was just puppy love, he would have got over his crush/ love for him as he grew into an adult, the romantic love would have gradually died away and the love would have had for her would have just been a PLATONIC best friend kind of love but obviously that didn't happen which meant that it was obvious that the love he felt for Diana was like TRUE REAL LOVE, it's like she was the person he was meant to share his whole life with, despite the big age difference between them, as Michael himself had said age is just a number and what has it got to do with anything and you really can't help who you fall in love with, it just happens.



I really can understand why Michael would have felt that his whole world had crumpled around him when Diana got married, he had big plans for him and her and for him to sit back and watch his dreams crumpled must have had a big effect on him and I can also understand why Michael never got over Diana, cause he put her on a high pedestal that no other woman could compare to her and I believe he was searching for another Diana Ross but of course God only made one Diana Ross.



Until we knew just how Michael felt when he lost Diana to another man, we really can't judge him and say that he should have got over Diana, it is easy said than done and as they say LOVE REALLY CAN DRIVE YOU CRAZY.
That's why I believe that Mike had the last word, in his FINAL WILL, he was saying to Diana "See!!I told you one day, you will the mother of my kids whether you want to or not*.



*Yes he loved Lisa, but I really believe he loved Diana more. It's hard to be married to others when the deepest love you feel is for someone else*.......
 
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Some naughty comments about the 1996 WMAs Awards from YOUTUBE
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, for some reason I was watching this video again last night (for the millionth time
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) , I have mixed feelings watching it sometimes, it makes me very sad and happy at the same time.



Diana has had the King's p*nis inside of her, there's no doubt in my mind about that, I am sure he turned/ rocked her world upside down and inside out and changed the way she walked forever, wished that they could have stayed together forever cause what they shared together was true love.

MichaelROCKS 6 hours ago




@digable04 Yes, Diana was still married during this time, but I think she was separated at this time. They didn't divorce until 3 years later. I think Arne has always suspected that there's something going on between them. Michael never ever hid how he felt. I think Arne was smart enough to realize that all those special songs and album dedications meant more than just friendship between Michael and Diana. Michael wasn't about to give up on his woman! , am I wrong to think that Michael and Diana were still seeing each other intimately even during her marriage to Arne Naess?? LOL

AngelsInTheMist2011 14 hours ago





I agree with you that Mike was so turned on, I am almost 100% sure that Diana kissed him on the lips when she sat on his lap, I think Mike got a little excited (if you know what I mean), I agree that the ladies were jealous, especially Princess Stephanie, LOL!!!! they could both see that they really haven't got a chance with Mike when Diana is around, he has got PURE LOVE written all over his face for Diana.

I wish he could look at me like that, I would have just died, LOL!!!!

Mjjeternally 15 hours ago






MICHAEL IS SUCH A FLIRT Its SO SEXY .. its like he can't CONTROL himself when he get TURNED ON QUICKLY .. you see him licking his lips and biting his lips, it's as if he wanted to eat Diana alive, I really wonder what happened after that awards show?????? ...

i see those 2 B****ES by the side of him getting mad at diana , they CAN'T STAND IT ..LOL

iwantMJ1 16 hours ago
[MENTION=82739]angels[/MENTION]InTheMist2011, LOL!! you are so funny but so true what you said though, it's very obvious watching this video just how much Mike was still in love with Diana and still desires her, anyone with eyes can see this, unless they are in totally denial or are too blind to see it of course.

I bet Mike would have love to give Diana some serious loving that night (if you know what I mean ) and he probably did, LOL!!!!!
Wasn't Diana still married to that Norwegian dude during this time though???

digable04 1 day ago





@digable04 Yea I thought she kissed him too. Right here @ 2:07 looks like when she kissed him. Also Princess Stephanie's reaction said it all, she looked jealous after that point.

cuteafykanbeb224 1 day ago





I bet Michael got together with her later that night. And I'm sure he was calling her name all night long! LOL. Long live the Queen of Motown. Long live the memory of the King of Pop.
[MENTION=82739]angels[/MENTION]InTheMist2011 1 day ago





Michael saying to Diana after she sat on his laps :-Boing! "Diana, I think my zipper busted!" Beware of sharp objects! LOL 

AngelsInTheMist2011 2 days ago





@Mjjeternally" .. LOL

yeah , Mike was so turned on , just look at his eyes and you will know that he want her so badly
he was licking his lips , and look where he put his hands first when she sit on his lap .. LOL
he want her from a long long time .. poor Mike!

Kitty'sMJ 2 days ago




[MENTION=82739]angels[/MENTION]InTheMist2011

I certainly think that Michael and Diana were secret lovers behind closed doors and I believe that they've rocked each other's world for years, all the mother/ son relationship they portrait in public was just a big act because behind closed doors they were F**KING each other's brains out.

Cutiepie 5 days ago

Anyone with eyes can clearly see that the relationship MJ & DR shared together was not a platonic one, as they were shamelessly seriously flirting with each other all through this night, as if they couldn't wait to tuck into one another after the show, the way they were behaving towards each other makes me wonder if they were still intimate with each other during this poing, I know Diana was married at this time, but you never know, do you???? it's clear to see that there's still genuine love between them.
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You are truly weird and delusional! :bulgy-eyes:

I just gave an opinion, saying that what I said is a possibility, that doesn't make me weird and delusional just because you can't understand things too high for you, lol. :bashful:
 

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I'm pretty sure that when MJ wrote the lyrics

"She got just what it takes
Got a mojo in her pocket
Got it ready just in case....."

he meant mojo as in mojo condoms, not a spell
 

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I just gave an opinion, saying that what I said is a possibility, that doesn't make me weird and delusional just because you can't understand things too high for you, lol. :bashful:

True you are HIGH very high...WAY up and out there lol! So you go ahead and have fun up there cause I definitely DON'T wanna be where you are! I'll just keep myself down here with reality and quickly put you back on ignore while you have fun playing in the sky!
 

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True you are HIGH very high...WAY up and out there lol! So you go ahead and have fun up there cause I definitely DON'T wanna be where you are! I'll just keep myself down here with reality and quickly put you back on ignore while you have fun playing in the sky!

Why did you take me off the ignore list in the first place if you don't agree of what the things I say dimwit? lol. Again, the question is, why did you take me off the ignore list? You must want to hear what I have to say, lol. And you call me the delusional one, lol, I think it fits your description, especially with all those fantasy xes stories about Michael and Diana, lol.

You can't call me high and delusional for the songs MJ wrote, I'm not the one who wrote them, Michael did. MJ is the one who wrote these lyrics in his 'In the Closet' song, not me:

[Princess Stephanie of Monaco]
Just Open The Door
And You Will See
This Passion Burns
Inside Of Me
Don't Say To Me
You'll Never Tell
Touch Me There
Make The Move
Cast The Spell.......

And see how ignorant you are? When I said you can't understand things too high for you, you said I was high, lol, sorry low-class one, but I don't smoke weed, maybe you do, lol. What I meant by you can't understand things too high for you, I meant that you can't understand things that are too wonderful or great for you.

In fact I got that terminology from the bible you ignorant fool, lol:

"Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain to it". - Psalm 139:6.

And as for spells that MJ mentioned several times in some of his songs, etc., all the spell stuff is in the bible too, it's real stupid:


Bible Verses About Spells

Revelations 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelations 22:15 - For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

So before you go off calling me weird and delusional, try learning more about reality, because as far as I'm concerned you live in La la land, and are too stuck on fantasy xes stories about Michael and Diana, that's your problem, lol.

You're always starting stuff with me for no reason, maybe you're a bitter person, and confused and frustrated to whether Michael and Diana had xes or not, because that's all you ever take about, and is on this thread 24/7 more than anyone, no matter what time or day it is, lol. Seriously get your head out of MJ's dead cock and go read a book and learn something, you low-class, ghetto hoodlum, lol.

And yeah, go put me on the ignore list, I can understand that you can't handle the truth, lol. If that makes you happy, go do it. Anyways, wasn't that my suggestion that you put me on the ignore list, then that's what you did? Well, this time keep me on the ignore list if you can't handle the truth. I think that's the best option for someone who is as ignorant as you are with a pea brain, lol. Chao :sinister:
 

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I'm pretty sure that when MJ wrote the lyrics

"She got just what it takes
Got a mojo in her pocket
Got it ready just in case....."

he meant mojo as in mojo condoms, not a spell



I don't think it's good to say 'SURE', because you don't know for sure what Michael really meant, just as I don't. When I looked up the word mojo, according to Wikipedia this is what mojo mean:

Mojo may refer to: Mojo (African-American culture), a magical charm bag used in hoodoo.

Mojo may also refer to: Media and entertainment.

Wow, and I didn't even know that the term 'mojo' was an African American term, lol. MJ was black, so.... He also believed in magic, lol.

That MJDR4EVER is a trouble maker, and she seems very bitter and frustrated. She calls me delusional and weird, when in fact she's the one who's delusional, not to mention very ignorant too.

MJ may have got the word 'mojo' from the Beatles song 'Come Together', in which he did a version of the song himself for his 'Bad' album, with these lyrics:

"Come together baby, yeah baby
Filter, got a mojo
So come together
Just come together
Just come together.......

Mojo filter early warning with a sideboard
A walrus [Incomprehensible], a walrus clacker
Come together, yeah
Come together, yeah
Come together
Mojo woking, together, mojo filter

Sure MJ wasn't talking about a condom in 'Come Together', lol. But you could be right about MJ meaning condom in the song 'She drives me Wild', but not 100% sure about that either, just a possibility:


"She got position
She got just what it takes
Got a mojo in her pocket
Got it ready just in case......."

But as for MJ's song 'In the Closet', he definitely was simply talking about a spell just as he wrote it, not about a condom, lol, so still my point is accurate, regardless of what song it is, lol:


[Princess Stephanie of Monaco]
Just Open The Door
And You Will See
This Passion Burns
Inside Of Me
Don't Say To Me
You'll Never Tell
Touch Me There
Make The Move
Cast The Spell.......

MJ also talks about a spell in his 'Threatened' song:

"You think you’re by yourself, but it’s my touch you felt
I’m not a ghost from Hell, but I’ve got a spell on you
Your worst nightmare, it's me, I'm everywhere
In one blink I’ll disappear, and then I’ll come back to haunt you
I’m telling you, when you lie under a tomb
I’m the one watching you, that’s why you got to be threatened by me....."



It's not my lyrics, it was Michael's, so that MJDR4EVER needs to shut her crazy ignorant mouth, because as said before, she can't understand things too great for her, she's stuck on stupid, lol.


And I don't care what others say, to me Diana Ross' daughter having a weird looking doll named 'Michael', pronounced 'Meek-a-el', named after MJ's first name, and the fact her mother Diana had a relationship with Michael, is just down right strange and suspicious to me. MY OPINION, lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JiC3aAqoRI


I'm one of those people who think outside the box, lol. Anyway that's my say on this. And I don't give a care about that obsessed about fantasy xes stories of Michael and Diana MJDR4EVER, just looking at her username 'MJDR4EVER' is a small testament to her obsession with MJ and Diana fantasy xes stories, lol. Chao :sinister:
 

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WTF happened to this thread

mjlover7 thinks she knows everthing! Her "you can't handle the truth," and "nothing gets past me" comments attest to that. Therefore anyone who has anything to say against her opinions becomes a "pea brain" and is called "ignorant" just because they don't agree. She knows all and we know nothing. She can stand by her "truth" and "nothing can get past me" and you all can stand by whatever. I am not even thirty and I have a Doctoral degree okay so I am not going to stand by anyone calling me a pea brain period! Especially when that statement is merely based on the fact that I had something to say against her "opinion". It is evident that she knows everything so there is no need to have a discussion about Michael and Diana at all in my opinion, so I'm going to do something that I am sure will make mjlover7 happy and say Aloha! You all have fun
 

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[MENTION=77387]MJDR4EVER[/MENTION] Do not satisfy mjlover7 and leave. I do not know why this thread is getting off track. The discussion is suppose to be about Michael and Diana not about us. All these personal attacks are not called for. I do not know why mjlover 7 can not have other people to express their own opinions without being called names. I hope this thread gets back on track.
 

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LOL fµck!n A I guess


Come Together lyrics (partial)


Here come old flattop, he come grooving up slowly
He got ***-*** eyeball, he one holy roller
He got hair down to his knee
Got to be a joker he just do what he please

He wear no shoeshine, he got toe-jam football
He got monkey finger, he shoot coca-cola
He say "I know you, you know me"
One thing I can tell you is you got to be free
Come together right now over me



He bag production, he got walrus gumboot
He got Ono sideboard, he one spinal crac*ker
He got feet down below his knee
Hold you in his armchair you can feel his disease
Come together right now over me


(Right!
Come, oh, come, come, come.)

He roller-coaster, he got early warning
He got muddy water, he one mojo filter
He say "One and one and one is three"
Got to be good-looking cos he's so hard to see
Come together right now over me


mojo-austin-powers.jpeg
 

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@MJDR4EVER Do not satisfy mjlover7 and leave. I do not know why this thread is getting off track. The discussion is suppose to be about Michael and Diana not about us. All these personal attacks are not called for. I do not know why mjlover 7 can not have other people to express their own opinions without being called names. I hope this thread gets back on track.

Oh shut you, how dare you say I won't allow people to express their own opinion you liar. I was expressing my own opinion on how MJ used the word mojo and spell, etc., and that 'MJDR4EVER' attacked me for no reason and called me 'weird and delusional' you stupid tramp. Go look back on how this started, she started it you idiot. She started it by calling me names first, by saying "you're weird and delusional", go back and read you stupid fool.


I made peace with all in this thread, I gave you guys thumbs ups on some of the things they said, and for all the other things I didn't agree with I left alone, I didn't give a thumbs down or replied. That MJDR4EVER is the one who won't allow me to express my opinion.

And there's others on here such as 'SoCalledNothin' who is not allowing me to express my opinion by saying "mojo mean condom not spell", and all that stuff, your crazy butts attacked me first, and are not allowing me to express my opinion, don't try and flip the script on me you ghetto crazy obsessed heathens.


Of course you're going to take MJDR4EVER's side, whether she's wrong or not, because both of you guys are obsessed about fiction xes stories of MJ and Diana. You guys are trouble makers, and you know it. How is me discussing what mojo and spell mean not allowing others to express their opinions? No one was even discussing about mojo and spells you idiots. You guys are the ones who are not allowing me to express my opinion, because you attack me by calling me 'weird and delusional', and saying that mojo doesn't mean spell, etc. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES ATTACKING ME AND NOT ALLOWING ME TO EXPRESS MY OPINIONS.
 

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WTF happened to this thread


Don't listen to that crazy MJDR4EVER, she's a big liar. I was minding my own business discussing some of the words MJ was using like mojo and spell, and what he may have meant by them, and out of no where she attacks me and calls me "weird and delusional", then has the nerve to say I won't allow others to express their opinion, when indeed she is not allowing me to express my opinion. How is me discussing what MJ may have meant with the words he used, such as mojo and spell not allowing no one to express their opinion? No one here wasn't even discussing anything about the word mojo and spell, so how could I be not allowing people to express their opinion? That MJDR4EVER is insane, she's a liar and a bully. Go read for yourself, don't take her word for it, go scroll down and see who started this mess and who's not allowing others to express their opinion, and who's attacking others for no darn reason, you will clearly see that it's that obsessed, frustrated, confused 'MJDR4EVER'. Any fool can see that MJDR4EVER is the trouble maker and harasser.
 

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[MENTION=77387]MJDR4EVER[/MENTION] Do not satisfy mjlover7 and leave. I do not know why this thread is getting off track. The discussion is suppose to be about Michael and Diana not about us. All these personal attacks are not called for. I do not know why mjlover 7 can not have other people to express their own opinions without being called names. I hope this thread gets back on track.

You're right, you're right. That troll doesn't deserve any satisfaction from me. Her "opinions", "truth", or whatever she calls her posts' in my opinion are out there and if she can't handle what I think and wants to call me names because of it then that is her problem not mine. Hell she even accuses [MENTION=68755]SoCalledNothin[/MENTION] of not allowing her to express her opinion just because she disagrees with her about Michael's use of the word mojo...really!? My only mistake was taking her off of ignore cause I was curious to read what she had to say.

But anyway back to topic...I love this picture. I just wish Diana would release the rest from this photoshoot since the photographer said she bought all the negatives.

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mjlover7 thinks she knows everthing! Her "you can't handle the truth," and "nothing gets past me" comments attest to that. Therefore anyone who has anything to say against her opinions becomes a "pea brain" and is called "ignorant" just because they don't agree. She knows all and we know nothing. She can stand by her "truth" and "nothing can get past me" and you all can stand by whatever. I am not even thirty and I have a Doctoral degree okay so I am not going to stand by anyone calling me a pea brain period! Especially when that statement is merely based on the fact that I had something to say against her "opinion". It is evident that she knows everything so there is no need to have a discussion about Michael and Diana at all in my opinion, so I'm going to do something that I am sure will make mjlover7 happy and say Aloha! You all have fun

You liar, you attacked me and called me "weird and delusional" for no apparent reason. I was discussing about the word mojo and spell, etc., in which no one was discussing, so how could I be not allowing others to express their opinion, and you out of no where attacked me by calling me "weird and delusional". You're probably angry and jealous because YOU think I know everything. I never said I knew everything. I said 'you can't handle them truth", is because you called me "weird and delusional' for no apparent reason. And how is me saying that "you can't handle the truth" mean I know everything? Have you ever heard someone say they "can't handle the truth before"? That doesn't imply that they know everything you dimwit. And when I said "nothing gets passed me" I was talking about Diana Ross's daughter Tracee having a doll named 'Michael' you idiot, what the heck is wrong with you?

The problem is YOU may think I know everything, and this is why you're so angry and frustrated, that's why you took me off the ignore list the last time to see what I had to say, because YOU think I know everything, that's your issue. I do not know everything, only God knows everything. I tried to make peace with you be giving you thumbs up, etc., and I didn't even reply or thumbs down anything I didn't agree with, I just left it alone. But you attack me for no apparent reason. Again, why the heck you take me off the ignore list if you don't agree with what I say. No one is forcing you to believe what I say, just put me on ignore you crazy obsessed loon. You want to treat me wrong and call me 'weird and delusional' for absolutely no reason and expect me not to say nothing about it, well you better think again, because I'm not your fool, and I will tell you about yourself in who you are, which is a frustrated, intimidated, confused, obsessed, MJ and Diana fiction xes story freak, lol. I have no respect for evil doers without cause. Goodbye loser.
 

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I don't know why you're all attacking each other. This is one thread that didn't have conflicts.


Anyway, I do agree with mjlover7 and I too think that MJ and Diana never had xes. Yes, I believe they had a relationship and that they were indeed engaged. But something tells me they never went all the way. There is no awkwardness between them, despite Diana having to run off with Arne and Michael being hurt by her doing that. I think Diana and MJ remained good friends until the end and both loved each other dearly, which is why MJ left Diana second to Katherine in his Will to take care of his children.


I really wish Diana would write a book on her relationship/friendship with MJ.
 

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Can y'all take it to the "Back Alley" please so we can have the thread back. Thank you
 

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I also love this one...

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But what I really want are more candid shots. All that is really available are professional shots. I wish Diana would share some of her own pictures of him or of them together

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You're right, you're right. That troll doesn't deserve any satisfaction from me. Her "opinions", "truth", or whatever she calls her posts' in my opinion are out there and if she can't handle what I think and wants to call me names because of it then that is her problem not mine. Hell she even accuses @SoCalledNothin of not allowing her to express her opinion just because she disagrees with her about Michael's use of the word mojo...really!? My only mistake was taking her off of ignore cause I was curious to read what she had to say.

But anyway back to topic...I love this picture. I just wish Diana would release the rest from this photoshoot since the photographer said she bought all the negatives.

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You're both wrong, wrong, wrong. Every time I say something I always make sure I say it's 'MY OPINION' you freaking liar. And by you saying that I say what I say is 'truth', that again is my opinion, just as you believe what you say is truth. You have a real issue about me knowing everything, that's your problem. YOU think I know everything, not me, because I don't know everything, only God knows everything dimwit. That's why you took me off of the ignore list because you think I know everything, and believe everything I say is truth, lol. Again, I do not think I know everything, YOU do. I think I know some things, just as I know others also know some things, and just as you think yourself know some things, so stop implying stuff about me that isn't true, you big liar.

And as for 'Socallednothin' saying that mojo means something else, it's the way she said it, by saying "I'm sure when MJ said mojo he meant condom, not spell", and then laughed about it. It's the way she presented it, like I'm stupid and wrong, that's why I said she was not allowing me to express my opinion, it's like she was being contrary to what I was saying, when no one was even talking to her. It seemed that way to me.

And anyway, my whole point in the first place was how MJ used the word spell, not mojo, but because I believe the way he used the word mojo which I thought meant spell, I thought he was implying about spells when he said the word mojo. And MJ wasn't talking about a condom when he used the word mojo in his song 'Come Together':

Mojo filter early warning with a sideboard
A walrus [Incomprehensible], a walrus clacker
Come together, yeah
Come together, yeah
Come together
Mojo woking, together, mojo filter


which is why I thought he was taking about spells when he said mojo in his 'She drives me Wild' song, and who knows, he probably was. And there is no definition anywhere that indicates that 'mojo' mean condom, lol, but it does indicate that 'mojo' mean spells and magic according to Wikipedia:


Mojo may refer to: Mojo (African-American culture), a magical charm bag used in hoodoo.


Either way, he still used the word spell, which was my point in the first place, and he wasn't talking about a condom either in his 'In the Closet song, lol:

'In the Closet':

[Princess Stephanie of Monaco]
Just Open The Door
And You Will See
This Passion Burns
Inside Of Me
Don't Say To Me
You'll Never Tell
Touch Me There
Make The Move
Cast The Spell.....

'Threatened':

You think you’re by yourself, but it’s my touch you felt
I’m not a ghost from Hell, but I’ve got a spell on you
Your worst nightmare, it's me, I'm everywhere
In one blink I’ll disappear, and then I’ll come back to haunt you
I’m telling you, when you lie under a tomb
I’m the one watching you, that’s why you got to be threatened by me

Lets remember my judgmental one, I didn't write the lyrics about spells, Michael did, get that in your head. And I can handle what you think about what I say, because in my opinion, your thinking is senseless and full of frustration. You're the one that can't seem to handle me which is why you have me on the ignore list, lol. Goodbye big liar, not to mention loser.
 

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I really wish Diana would write a book on her relationship/friendship with MJ.

Me too! But I highly doubt she would ever write a whole book about just that. Perhaps she will write another memoir about her life and give us a little more info about her relationship with Michael cause there was barely anything in her first memoir.

But that may be wishful thunking as well cause through the 40 years that she had known Michael she has said very, very little about him. A sentence here, a sentence there is all she has ever given as to information to what he was like personally. As other people have written books and released conversations she has always chosen to keep what they had private and very close to her heart. I admire her for that cause truthfully if she ever released an entire book about Michael I would lose some respect for her cause she would be giving in to the medias pressure and not standing up for Michael's privacy. Not that I wouldn't be curious to know what she had to tell lol! Maybe I would buy it or just read what other people have to say about it as I have done with the other MJ "tell alls"

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[MENTION=78465]Springbaby8[/MENTION] How do you know they remained good friends in the end? everytime Diana did interviews they bring up michael and she says she had not spoken to him in years. I do not know if there friendship was that solid in the end.How do you know they do not share akwardness? Wasn't Diana always be acting akward towards Michael when he is around meaning she flustered a lot.
 

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[MENTION=78465]Springbaby8[/MENTION] How do you know they remained good friends in the end? everytime Diana did interviews they bring up michael and she says she had not spoken to him in years. I do not know if there friendship was that solid in the end.How do you know they do not share akwardness? Wasn't Diana always be acting akward towards Michael when he is around meaning she flustered a lot.

True, but didn't Evan say that he was close to Michael during the last years of his life? I believe he said that he was helping him with his album (which STILL isn't finished grrr!) and that they talked on the phone a lot. I doubt that he would be close to Evan and not be talking to Diana at all. Then of course there is this picture...

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But of course I bet there were many moments that Diana was not around cause many people have said that Michael would shut out those who had his best interest at heart in favor of those who would give him whatever he wanted, no matter how damaging

About that picture...its funny cause remember right after Michael died Latoya said that Diana never met his children. About a week after that interview that picture was released lol! Latoya didn't know what she was talking about!
 

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I also agree that Diana will never ever write a tell-all book. I agree,Diana never really even when Michael was alive talks about him that much. And when a person who interviews her about Michael she acts uncomfortable. I believe she acted that way because she was in a private relationship with him. There is no doubt in my mind that she loved Michael, but the girl is quite. I love her though.All we are going to get from her is subtle confirmations. And why is there not enough candid shots of them WTF!?. I agree with you MJDR4EVER there should be more candid shots of them. I also would love to see the negatives of that photoshoot or better yet footage.
 

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I don't know why you're all attacking each other. This is one thread that didn't have conflicts.


Anyway, I do agree with mjlover7 and I too think that MJ and Diana never had xes. Yes, I believe they had a relationship and that they were indeed engaged. But something tells me they never went all the way. There is no awkwardness between them, despite Diana having to run off with Arne and Michael being hurt by her doing that. I think Diana and MJ remained good friends until the end and both loved each other dearly, which is why MJ left Diana second to Katherine in his Will to take care of his children.


I really wish Diana would write a book on her relationship/friendship with MJ.

You're right 'Springbaby8' about MJ and Diana remaining close over the years, even though they haven't seen much of each other. This is why MJ left Diana in his Will, lol. He wouldn't leave a woman in his Will that he's not close too, especially if it's involving his children. But he allowed Diana to take care of his kids if something were to happen to his mother Kate.

Here's some pictures of MJ and Diana over the years:

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A more touching ode being in her tribute to him on her 2006 album Blue with Michael’s favourite song, Smile:

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And again, as said previously, MJ left Diana in his Will. So yeah you're right, MJ and Diana were still friends throughout the years. Don't let those heathens bring their frustration out on you by trying to challenge your knowledge on MJ and Diana's relationship, because they are confused about their relationship. I notice that 'baby love' and 'MJDR4EVER' always seem to bring their frustration out on others, they are so crazy and stupid, lol.
 

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[MENTION=132341]mjlover7[/MENTION] It is a fact they were not as close as they once were Diana said so herself in 1996. Michael and Diana were seen together throughout the years, but they were never as close as they once were before her marriage to Arne Naess. Nevertheless they still remained friends.All the pictures you showed though shows that they still had love for each other.
 

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Oh shut you, how dare you say I won't allow people to express their own opinion you liar. I was expressing my own opinion on how MJ used the word mojo and spell, etc., and that 'MJDR4EVER' attacked me for no reason and called me 'weird and delusional' you stupid tramp. Go look back on how this started, she started it you idiot. She started it by calling me names first, by saying "you're weird and delusional", go back and read you stupid fool.


I made peace with all in this thread, I gave you guys thumbs ups on some of the things they said, and for all the other things I didn't agree with I left alone, I didn't give a thumbs down or replied. That MJDR4EVER is the one who won't allow me to express my opinion.

And there's others on here such as 'SoCalledNothin' who is not allowing me to express my opinion by saying "mojo mean condom not spell", and all that stuff, your crazy butts attacked me first, and are not allowing me to express my opinion, don't try and flip the script on me you ghetto crazy obsessed heathens.


Of course you're going to take MJDR4EVER's side, whether she's wrong or not, because both of you guys are obsessed about fiction xes stories of MJ and Diana. You guys are trouble makers, and you know it. How is me discussing what mojo and spell mean not allowing others to express their opinions? No one was even discussing about mojo and spells you idiots. You guys are the ones who are not allowing me to express my opinion, because you attack me by calling me 'weird and delusional', and saying that mojo doesn't mean spell, etc. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES ATTACKING ME AND NOT ALLOWING ME TO EXPRESS MY OPINIONS.


Jesus. Some people are so freaking sensitive. How the hell did I stop you from having an opinion exactly? I said I was "pretty sure", how is that stating anything as fact exactly? Where I come from, "pretty sure" means fairly positive but not 100% sure. This is why I normally avoid threads like this, too much drama. Apologies to the others on here for (unintentionally) derailing the thread
 

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Do you guys believe that Michael and Diana's relationship is pretty much an open secret?
 

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I still cant believe there are people still thinking they had a mother and son relationship.

No surprise to me. There are even people who believe that Diana was actually his BIOLOGICAL MOTHER! LOL! There used to be a video on youtube of a guy explaining how she and SMOKEY ROBINSON were Michael's real parents and they sent Michael to live with the Jacksons cause they had a big family and were starting a group so that way Diana could say that she discovered them and sign with Motown so she and Smokey could be close to their son. Then this person went on to say that this was why she always referred to Michael as her baby and that was why it was Smokey who read Diana's statement at the memorial. Needless ti say, after many, many negative comments this guy deleted the video. LMAO!
 

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Me too! But I highly doubt she would ever write a whole book about just that. Perhaps she will write another memoir about her life and give us a little more info about her relationship with Michael cause there was barely anything in her first memoir.

But that may be wishful thunking as well cause through the 40 years that she had known Michael she has said very, very little about him. A sentence here, a sentence there is all she has ever given as to information to what he was like personally. As other people have written books and released conversations she has always chosen to keep what they had private and very close to her heart. I admire her for that cause truthfully if she ever released an entire book about Michael I would lose some respect for her cause she would be giving in to the medias pressure and not standing up for Michael's privacy. Not that I wouldn't be curious to know what she had to tell lol! Maybe I would buy it or just read what other people have to say about it as I have done with the other MJ "tell alls"

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I think Diana writing a book at this time in her life will just be wishful thinking because I really don't see her doing it. The only way a book about her and MJ's relationship may manifest is through her children with her permission. Otherwise, I wouldn't hold my breath for a tell-all book about MJ and Diana.


Diana not saying too much about her relationship with MJ is another reason I respect her a lot. She's also confident and secure with herself, which to me are probably the best qualities in a person.
 

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You're right 'Springbaby8' about MJ and Diana remaining close over the years, even though they haven't seen much of each other. This is why MJ left Diana in his Will, lol. He wouldn't leave a woman in his Will that he's not close too, especially if it's involving his children. But he allowed Diana to take care of his kids if something were to happen to his mother Kate.

Here's some pictures of MJ and Diana over the years:

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A more touching ode being in her tribute to him on her 2006 album Blue with Michael’s favourite song, Smile:

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And again, as said previously, MJ left Diana in his Will. So yeah you're right, MJ and Diana were still friends throughout the years. Don't let those heathens bring their frustration out on you by trying to challenge your knowledge on MJ and Diana's relationship, because they are confused about their relationship. I notice that 'baby love' and 'MJDR4EVER' always seem to bring their frustration out on others, they are so crazy and stupid, lol.


Yes, I believe MJ and Diana maintained their friendship, love and respect for one another. If they rarely saw each other it was due to their careers and taking on different paths. Diana marrying Arne, having her kids and the same with Michael.


I don't know why anyone gets frustrated about the lives and relationships of celebrities. At the end of the day, we outside fans really don't know what happens behind closed doors and away from the cameras of the paparazzi. Unless it comes out that Diana and MJ actually had xes (which I don't believe they ever did) then it's all pure speculation and not fact.
 

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[MENTION=78465]Springbaby8[/MENTION] Nobody is frustrated on anything. Like you said we do not know what happened behind close doors.
 

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Jesus. Some people are so freaking sensitive. How the hell did I stop you from having an opinion exactly? I said I was "pretty sure", how is that stating anything as fact exactly? Where I come from, "pretty sure" means fairly positive but not 100% sure. This is why I normally avoid threads like this, too much drama. Apologies to the others on here for (unintentionally) derailing the thread


I did state in one of my comments that it 'seemed' that way because the way you stated it. It seem as though you were teaming up on me with that crazy obsessed 'MJDR4EVER' and 'Baby Love', but I see now what you meant. It's ok :peace:
 

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