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When did the real attraction between Michael and Diana Ross started?????

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I was basically saying about the letter if it is Michael's that it sound like the letter could have been about Diana. Due to the langauge in the letter like "I dont regret it" and "Why did you run away" I said that the 4th child statement could have been about the idea of them having a child together. Hence, Diana had 3 girls and the 4th child would have been his and Diana's I guess the 4th child referece mean what could have been in their relationship like a symbol.
 

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Diana was waaaay to old in 2005 to ave Michaels baby geezus the letter is not about or to her
 

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I was basically saying about the letter if it is Michael's that it sound like the letter could have been about Diana. Due to the langauge in the letter like "I dont regret it" and "Why did you run away" I said that the 4th child statement could have been about the idea of them having a child together. Hence, Diana had 3 girls and the 4th child would have been his and Diana's I guess the 4th child referece mean what could have been in their relationship like a symbol.

I agree. Just because it was released and/or found in 2005 doesn't mean it had to have been written in 2005. There is no date on the letter so it could have been written anytime.

But yeah I agree with you. If this letter was written in '86 or a little after then it is definitely about Diana. OMG what if they really were talking about having a family together. We can only imagine but those are the conversations I wanna hear...the ones Michael had with Diana way back in the 80s.
 

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First of all there is no date on the letter. We do not even know if Michael wrote this letter. This letter could have been written in the 1980's we do not know. Just because the letter was released in 2005 that does not mean the letter was written in 2005.
 

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In the letter Michael talks about having his fourth child, Blanket is his third child, he was born february, 2002. Obviously this letter isn't about Diana, because this doesn't make any sense. It's the same case of people who wants to make this letter about Lisa, others who are Diana's fans want to make this letter about her.
 

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First of all there is no date on the letter. We do not even know if Michael wrote this letter. This letter could have been written in the 1980's we do not know. Just because the letter was released in 2005 that does not mean the letter was written in 2005.

The letter Michael talked about having his fourth child with this woman and marry her, of course this letter was written after 2002 the year that Blanket was born, Diana wasn't the only woman that Michael had a relationship, he wasn't with Diana in 2000s. Not all of things are about Diana. This letter was for another woman, unknown to us.
 

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There is no date to this letter people. Why are people getting all upset at just a simple speculation.
 

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I know that Michael had other ladies in his life. All we are saying is that there is a possibility that it was about her, especially if this was written before Michael had children or in 86 because thereis no date on the letter.
 

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Nobody is upset, but it's a fact that this letter can't be for Diana, it's simple. Michael had other relationships, Diana wasn't the only woman that he was involved. In the letter he cited facts that make everyone with common sense conclude that It was written after 2002.
 

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It is not a fact that letter was written after 2002 since there is no date to the letter. and dont forget the language in the letter is similar to who is it and other songs he did in the 1990's oh yeah and he wanted to marry Diana as well.
 

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Okay this the last thing I'm gonna say about that damn letter. In the first picture you can see Diana's THREE girls and in the second you can see that Michael wanted to marry Diana. Now in the letter (if it is real) Michael wrote that he saw this woman as his wife. If about Diana, Diana's three children would have been his step children had they gotten married. Michael maybe already felt like they were especially since he had been around them since they were babies. Therefore if they were to have gotten married and had a child together they would have one, two, three, FOUR children! Thank you.
 

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So supposedly there is a book about hollywood and inside one of the pages it talks about how Diana left Motown admist rumours that she was having an affair with Michael. I wonder what people at Motown thought about those rumours? Damn, everybody back in the day were all up in their business lol.:glasses-nerdy: Which year did Diana left motown 1980 or 1981?
 

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so supposedly there is a book about hollywood and inside one of the pages it talks about how diana left motown admist rumours that she was having an affair with michael. I wonder what people at motown thought about those rumours? Damn, everybody back in the day were all up in their business lol.:glasses-nerdy: which year did diana left motown 1980 or 1981?
 

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Epic moment in entertainment history...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9TKYRf50jM"]Diana Ross & Michael Jackson - Upside Down (Live!) - YouTube[/ame]
 

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What about this song...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxs0ZOV6UB4"]Diana Ross - Sweet Surrender - YouTube[/ame]

You keep running to me And I keep running for cover I'm not gonna give in You may be my kind of lover

You move closer to me Give a chance, you can find I'm right in the thought of you Overtakin' my mind

But ('cause) when you hold me close So warm and tender Oh, sweet surrender

You keep running to me I keep running for cover I won't give in to you Though you're my kind of lover

But ('cause) when you hold me close So warm and tender Oh, sweet surrender

You're shaking me up With just your touch You know I wanted you so I wanna give it all up You can do what you wanna do I can't resist, I surrender to you

It's gotta be fate 'Cause I can't deny you Can't change the way I feel No matter how I try to

But ('cause) when you hold me close So warm and tender Oh, sweet surrender

Oh, sweet surrender You shake me up With just a touch You know I wanted you so I'm gonna give it all up You can do what you wanna do I can't resist, I surrender to you

It's gotta be fate 'Cause I can't deny you Can't change the way I feel No matter how I try to

But ('cause) when you hold me close So warm and tender Oh, sweet surrender

I can't deny you Hold me close Hold me
 

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What about this song...

Diana Ross - Sweet Surrender - YouTube

You keep running to me And I keep running for cover I'm not gonna give in You may be my kind of lover

You move closer to me Give a chance, you can find I'm right in the thought of you Overtakin' my mind

But ('cause) when you hold me close So warm and tender Oh, sweet surrender

You keep running to me I keep running for cover I won't give in to you Though you're my kind of lover

But ('cause) when you hold me close So warm and tender Oh, sweet surrender

You're shaking me up With just your touch You know I wanted you so I wanna give it all up You can do what you wanna do I can't resist, I surrender to you

It's gotta be fate 'Cause I can't deny you Can't change the way I feel No matter how I try to

But ('cause) when you hold me close So warm and tender Oh, sweet surrender

Oh, sweet surrender You shake me up With just a touch You know I wanted you so I'm gonna give it all up You can do what you wanna do I can't resist, I surrender to you

It's gotta be fate 'Cause I can't deny you Can't change the way I feel No matter how I try to

But ('cause) when you hold me close So warm and tender Oh, sweet surrender

I can't deny you Hold me close Hold me

Well, like Michael, Diana sang songs about people, that is about Michael, lol. She said in her own words that she chooses songs that relate to what she going through at the time in her life, so even though she doesn't write her own songs, it's just like she des because she chooses songs that relate to her, and she dedicates them to people like Michael, lol. So with that said, I believe this song is about Michael. She was married to Arne, but she really wanted to be with Michael, she just had to choose what works for her, her children, and career. Diana really loved Michael, she really did, even though she made a bad choice in leaving, lol. But I'm sure she knew it was best for her and Michael both for her to leave, according to her, but I think it was nest that they shouldn't of stayed together regardless of what other thought.
 

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Okay this the last thing I'm gonna say about that damn letter. In the first picture you can see Diana's THREE girls and in the second you can see that Michael wanted to marry Diana. Now in the letter (if it is real) Michael wrote that he saw this woman as his wife. If about Diana, Diana's three children would have been his step children had they gotten married. Michael maybe already felt like they were especially since he had been around them since they were babies. Therefore if they were to have gotten married and had a child together they would have one, two, three, FOUR children! Thank you.

Wow, interesting. I forgot that this letter could of been written years ago, like in the 80's. I was thinking that it was more recent because he wanted a 4th child, meaning he already had 3 kids, which could mean Prince, Paris, and Blanket,. But Rhonda, Tracee, and Chudney were his 3 step kids while he was with Diana, so it could of been written in the 80's.

But then again I get the feeling, in my opinion, the letter was written like in the 2000's because he said he wanted a 4th child, meaning he already had 3, which means more like Prince, Paris and Blanket than Rhonda, Tracee, and Chudney to me. But none the less I still believe the letter was written about Diana, and here's why, in the letter MJ is questioning why this woman left him, and how he revealed himself to her, etc., in which all this only happened between him and Diana.

And lets not forget MJ said in the letter that he STILL SAW this woman as his wife and the mother of his 4th child, meaning he always wanted this woman to be his wife and still does, and SEES her as the mother of his 4th child, meaning he still had hope in being with this woman, not that he was actually with her, which means to me Diana.

I believe this letter was about Diana, written in the 2000's, and it was just a letter MJ wrote to himself on how he felt about Diana. It wasn't a letter that was to be sent out or anything for Diana to read, thus him explaining in the letter why his relationship with this woman failed. If his relationship failed according to what he said in the letter, I don't think he had a chance in sending the letter out to Diana, but a just personal letter written on how he felt about Diana, this is who I see it anyway, lol.

I do find a connection in MJ wanting a 4th child with Diana as explained in that letter with him wanting a 4th child with Susan Etok, who so happen to be a black woman like Diana, wow, lol, maybe Susan Etok was a substitute for Diana. Here's the video of MJ wanting a 4th child Susan Etok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUDo7aiOk5Y

I'm sorry but I can't separate MJ wanting a 4th child in that letter and MJ wanting a 4th child with Susan Etok, and Susan Etok being a black lady like Diana, I'm sorry, lol, there's a connection there to me, lol. MJ even left Diana in his Will to be mother to his children, which also gives me a feeling that he was talking about Diana in that letter of wanting her to be the mother of his 4th child.

MJ always dreamed of marrying and having a family with Diana, and even if it didn't work out while he was alive, he left her in his Will to take care of his children and be mother to them in death, that way they still would be a family because Diana would be mother to his children, wow, lol. This is my opinion.
 

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I agree. Just because it was released and/or found in 2005 doesn't mean it had to have been written in 2005. There is no date on the letter so it could have been written anytime.

But yeah I agree with you. If this letter was written in '86 or a little after then it is definitely about Diana. OMG what if they really were talking about having a family together. We can only imagine but those are the conversations I wanna hear...the ones Michael had with Diana way back in the 80s.

Exactly, MJ's 'manifesto' from 1979 was released I think some time between 2011- 2013, lol. So just because something is released at a certain time doesn't mean it was actually made during that time.

Anyway, I think the letter was about Diana Ross whether written in the 80's or 2000's, which I believe was written in the 2000's. I believe the letter was written about Diana Ross because MJ was talking about how his relationship failed, and on how he STILL SAW this woman being the mother of his 4th child, not asking her to be the mother of his 4th child. This all reminds me of MJ leaving Diana in his Will to be mother of his children. And it especially reminds me of him asking Susan Etok to have his fourth child https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUDo7aiOk5Y a representation of Diana, symbolic. This is my opinion :love:
 

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Diana was waaaay to old in 2005 to ave Michaels baby geezus the letter is not about or to her

Well, you have a very good point, but we're talking about Michael here, so, lol. Michael left his kids to Diana in his Will regardless of age, so.... And Notice how MJ said he STILL SEE this woman as his wife and mother of his 4th child, meaning he saw this woman to be his wife for years, thus STILL SEEING this woman being his wife, which make me believe it's about Diana. And MJ leaving her in his Will to take care of his kids seem like a connection to that letter to me.

Also, MJ asked this black British woman Susan Etok to have his 4th child, which represents Diana in a symbolic way the fact that she's black like Diana, it just adds up to that letter of MJ wanting a 4th child, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUDo7aiOk5Y
 

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Well!! whatever happened in Mike and Diana's relationship, it's obviously that Mike forgave Diana and never stopped loving her, I have a feeling that they did sit down together and talked about it and whilst Mike might have somewhat try to understand and see Diana's point of view, he still needed way to vent his fustration through his song lyrics.

So whilst Michael did indeed forgave Diana, he never forgot and he continued to love her, hence why we see Diana visiting Mike in hospital in 1995, Mike thanking Diana in his HISTORY album booklet with a photo of them together whilst still married to LMP, Diana been able to comfortably sitting on his lap and kissing him on his lips at the 1996 WMAs (and anyone with eyes could see how much he was still in love with Diana), their interraction at the 97 Hall of fame and him finally naming Diana in his Will etc........

These all shows that even though their relationship never worked out the way Mike would have liked it to, there was still that unconditional love/ bond/ chemistry between them that never died.

Couldn't be explained any better. I 100% agree, wow, lol.
 

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Being a doctor doesn't make you classy. Classy is the way you carry yourself and present yourself and there ain't nothing classy about an opportunist with a f** up weave.

And considering Lmp was a former drug addict and Mj ended up marrying her it mean he was not as fussy has people make him out to be.

Being a doctor is a part of what makes you classy in my opinion, any one know that, lol. The type of work you chose to do sort of reflects what type of person you are. Not to mention, Susan's entire family is full of doctors and lawyers, this is what attracted MJ to Susan. And Susan Etok carries herself in a classy way, she's not loud and unruly, etc., she speaks nicely with that nice British classy accent, etc. And even though she wears a weave, she wears it nicely in a classy way, her hair is let down with a headband. And just because you see her as an opportunist, she's still classy, she's a classy opportunist.

So what you're saying is that classy people are not opportunist? There's plenty of classy opportunist, if money is involved, lol. And just because you say Susan is an opportunist just because she told some true stories about MJ, I don't think she's an opportunist.

As for Lisa Marie, she was a former drug addict, when she married Michael she was very classy, people change. And even when she married Danny Keough Lisa before Michael, she was very classy, she was married with 2 kids off of drugs.

Regardless of what Susan Etok or Lisa Marie is, they sure ain't ghetto like that crackhead Miki, I can tell you that, lol. Just place Susan Etok and Miki both in a white racist environment, they would chose Susan Etok over Miki based on persona. They would see Susan Etok not ghetto, and would see Miki as ghetto, that's my point in MJ choosing his women, lol. Or you can look at MJ's 'Bad' video and let that tell you on how MJ saw ghetto people, MJ didn't like ghetto people, lol. MJ liked people who weren't ghetto, and Miki is definitely one ghetto hood rat that MJ wouldn't even come near too, lol. MJ liked people like Naomi Campbell, Susan Etok, Tatiana Thumbtzen, Stephanie Mills, Diana Ross, and Grace Rwaramba, who he made the mother figure to his children, people with at least a little decency, unlike that Miki who has absolutely none what so ever.

Maybe I should of said MJ chose women who are not ghetto, MJ didn't like ghetto women, lol. Regardless of what Lisa Marie or Susan Etok is they are not ghetto, and that's why MJ like them, ha ha, lol.
 
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A message to Diana:psmile:


Diana....................girl................you need to fess up about your true relationship with your baby Michael.

You and Michael have been dropping clues about your love for each other for years! Openly flirting with each other. And him fawning all over you in album shout outs; finding one reason or another to drop your name in his autobiography just so he can profess his love for you over and over again.

Remember the 96 WMAs? Yeah that's right, I'm bringing that shnit up again! Could the two of you have been more OBVIOUS that night? I KNOW you saw the look in his eyes when he was watching you. There isn't a fangirl alive that wouldn't have stepped on their mothers just to have him gaze at them the way he gazed at you...and that includes his ex-wives! I know you saw (and felt) him burning love holes into you because you made a beeline right for him, plopped your behind right into his lap and snuggled him. Now who the hell does that to somebody she considers like a son? You think Elizabeth Taylor did that kind of shnit to him? Even the audience was like "WTF?"

And that whammy you threw in your memorial statement--"Michael was a personal love of mine...Fabric of my life." Not Michael was like a brother to me. Not Michael was a dear friend. Not Michael was like family to me. Not Michael was like a son to me. PERSONAL LOVE! That ain't no innocent statement--that's an admission and you know it!

Michael is always blushing and acting so coy around you, like you both have a dirty secret no one knows about. Diana (you) seems to make him *giddy* like that- even on pics of him as a very young boy (12-13 years old)., he seems to look at you in awe, a combination of ADORATION, FASCINATION, WONDER & AWE.
Being a mother of two young adult sons and having a brother of my own, I know that is a very impressionable age for young boys. It seems that what they latch onto at that age is the standard by which they measure every woman that comes after.

Speaking of mothers:- For a "dear ole Mom", Diana, you sure has an habit of propping up on Mike's lap a lot (I read somewhere that you did this when he was out on a date with Madonna once before)- kissing him on the mouth and hugging a little too long, I think you Diana was being catty to some degree at the 96 WMAs- sending a message to other females just because you could.......saying "I run this house" without plastering it on a billboard.

I most definitely think that you Diana knew of your power over Michael, how could you not??? but I an not totally convinced that you have the willpower not to act on the knowledge either, knowing just how crazy and in love Mike was with you, I mean how could you have resisted the young, handsome ,sexy Michael???? knowing just how much he was lusting/ loving after you.


Shamon Diana girl! Quit Playin'! tell us the truth!!!! cause we know that a lot more went on between you and Michael than just a mother/ son relationship, which in my opinion is just a cover up for the REAL, TRUE relationship that was going on between you two.
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^^^ BWAHAHAHAHHA SPOT ON! "Personal Love...." how much more blatant can Diana be?

You know guys I've always wondered this:

With all of the public declarations of love both Mike and Diana made to each other why do people simply choose to brush their relationship to the side and choose to believe they were "just good friends?". I mean they couldn't have been more obvious if they tried! So why are people so quick to believe they were nothing more than just friends? I mean the public displays of love between Mike and Diana is overwhelming yet people still believe they were more like mother and son?! WTF? I've never seen Mike let Miss. Katherine sit on his lap whilst he blushes up a storm and continuously licks at his lips like a dog salivating over a fresh pork chop, have you? lol:psmile:

So yeah what's your opinion on this? I have my thoughts on this but I'd like to hear what everyone else has to say?
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This message was posted on another MJ message board.


A message to Diana:psmile:


Diana....................girl................you need to fess up about your true relationship with your baby Michael.

You and Michael have been dropping clues about your love for each other for years! Openly flirting with each other. And him fawning all over you in album shout outs; finding one reason or another to drop your name in his autobiography just so he can profess his love for you over and over again.

Remember the 96 WMAs? Yeah that's right, I'm bringing that shnit up again! Could the two of you have been more OBVIOUS that night? I KNOW you saw the look in his eyes when he was watching you. There isn't a fangirl alive that wouldn't have stepped on their mothers just to have him gaze at them the way he gazed at you...and that includes his ex-wives! I know you saw (and felt) him burning love holes into you because you made a beeline right for him, plopped your behind right into his lap and snuggled him. Now who the hell does that to somebody she considers like a son? You think Elizabeth Taylor did that kind of shnit to him? Even the audience was like "WTF?"

And that whammy you threw in your memorial statement--"Michael was a personal love of mine...Fabric of my life." Not Michael was like a brother to me. Not Michael was a dear friend. Not Michael was like family to me. Not Michael was like a son to me. PERSONAL LOVE! That ain't no innocent statement--that's an admission and you know it!

Michael is always blushing and acting so coy around you, like you both have a dirty secret no one knows about. Diana (you) seems to make him *giddy* like that- even on pics of him as a very young boy (12-13 years old)., he seems to look at you in awe, a combination of ADORATION, FASCINATION, WONDER & AWE.
Being a mother of two young adult sons and having a brother of my own, I know that is a very impressionable age for young boys. It seems that what they latch onto at that age is the standard by which they measure every woman that comes after.

Speaking of mothers:- For a "dear ole Mom", Diana, you sure has an habit of propping up on Mike's lap a lot (I read somewhere that you did this when he was out on a date with Madonna once before)- kissing him on the mouth and hugging a little too long, I think you Diana was being catty to some degree at the 96 WMAs- sending a message to other females just because you could.......saying "I run this house" without plastering it on a billboard.

I most definitely think that you Diana knew of your power over Michael, how could you not??? but I an not totally convinced that you have the willpower not to act on the knowledge either, knowing just how crazy and in love Mike was with you, I mean how could you have resisted the young, handsome ,sexy Michael???? knowing just how much he was lusting/ loving after you.


Shamon Diana girl! Quit Playin'! tell us the truth!!!! cause we know that a lot more went on between you and Michael than just a mother/ son relationship, which in my opinion is just a cover up for the REAL, TRUE relationship that was going on between you too.
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Wow, what a powerful message, so true. I wonder if this message was actually sent to Diana? I wish Diana would come out and just tell her story about her and MJ, with a book or even just a brief interview. What we need is a bunch of 'Michael Diana' fans to sign some type of petition that Diana would agree upon, that if we have enough signatures she would write a book or give a brief interview confessing her relationship with Michael, lol. I just pray she opens up one day, she really needs too.
 

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^^^ BWAHAHAHAHHA SPOT ON! "Personal Love...." how much more blatant can Diana be?

You know guys I've always wondered this:

With all of the public declarations of love both Mike and Diana made to each other why do people simply choose to brush their relationship to the side and choose to believe they were "just good friends?". I mean they couldn't have been more obvious if they tried! So why are people so quick to believe they were nothing more than just friends? I mean the public displays of love between Mike and Diana is overwhelming yet people still believe they were more like mother and son?! WTF? I've never seen Mike let Miss. Katherine sit on his lap whilst he blushes up a storm and continuously licks at his lips like a dog salivating over a fresh pork chop, have you? lol:psmile:

So yeah what's your opinion on this? I have my thoughts on this but I'd like to hear what everyone else has to say?
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There's only one word for this, JEALOUSY. It's pure jealousy. I hate to say this, but it's mainly among the white fans. Not all white fans, just 'some'. In my opinion, those 'some' white fans want Michael to themselves, they want Michael to be with Lisa Marie and Debbie Rowe because they are white like them. I even saw a comment that said, "'Blue Gangster' was about Diana Ross, but MJ got over Diana and he gave all his love to his children", I just laughed and shacked my head, because when MJ made the song 'Blue Gangster' he had the kids, but he was still writing songs about Diana, one being 'Blue Gangster', lol. He even left Diana in his Will to take care of his children, to be a mother to his children, that speaks high volumes for MJ to give his children to Diana, lol.

No matter what people have against Michael and Diana, Diana was the love of his life, whether they like it or not, that's just something they're going to have to accept. MJ wouldn't even leave Diana alone even in death, he left her in his Will, ha ha, lol. True Romantic:love:
 

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Being a doctor is a part of what makes you classy in my opinion, any one know that, lol. The type of work you chose to do sort of reflects what type of person you are. Not to mention, Susan's entire family is full of doctors and lawyers, this is what attracted MJ to Susan. And Susan Etok carries herself in a classy way, she's not loud and unruly, etc., she speaks nicely with that nice British classy accent, etc. And even though she wears a weave, she wears it nicely in a classy way, her hair is let down with a headband. And just because you see her as an opportunist, she's still classy, she's a classy opportunist.

So what you're saying is that classy people are not opportunist? There's plenty of classy opportunist, if money is involved, l1112ol. And just because you say Susan is an opportunist just because she told some true stories about MJ, I don't think she's an opportunist.

As for Lisa Marie, she was a former drug addict, when she married Michael she was very classy, people change. And even when she married Danny Keough Lisa before Michael, she was very classy, she was married with 2 kids off of drugs.

Regardless of what Susan Etok or Lisa Marie is, they sure ain't ghetto like that crackhead Miki, I can tell you that, lol. Just place Susan Etok and Miki both in a white racist environment, they would chose Susan Etok over Miki based on persona. They would see Susan Etok not ghetto, and would see Miki as ghetto, that's my point in MJ choosing his women, lol. Or you can look at MJ's 'Bad' video and let that tell you on how MJ saw ghetto people, MJ didn't like ghetto people, lol. MJ liked people who weren't ghetto, and Miki is definitely one ghetto hood rat that MJ wouldn't even come near too, lol. MJ liked people like Naomi Campbell, Susan Etok, Tatiana Thumbtzen, Stephanie Mills, Diana Ross, and Grace Rwaramba, who he made the mother figure to his children, people with at least a little decency, unlike that Miki who has absolutely none what so ever.

Maybe I should of said MJ chose women who are not ghetto, MJ didn't like ghetto women, lol. Regardless of what Lisa Marie or Susan Etok is they are not ghetto, and that's why MJ like them, ha ha, lol.
Now you are really reaching.. You obviously do not know the history of Naomi who has drug problems and is so aggressive she has been banned from British Airways. And as for Tatiana there were rumors of her being a call girl. If this is what you call classy you must be on crack yourself.
 
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At the 1984 AMAs, I think Mike wanted people to know that him and Diana were an item and I really do believe that if Diana hadn't interrupt him, he probably would have said something, you could tell that he was going to say something else before Diana said "I taught you how to dance" but I think Mike was hesistant as well, cause he knows that Diana wouldn't have approved of him exposing them, which is why she was so nervous that night cause Mike was hugging her way too much and too long and tightly/ closely that I am sure people in the audience would have been wondering what was going on.
From Mike's reaction to Diana and him being over confident, you could tell that he really didn't care who knew about them and this indeed did make Diana nervous that night.


These comments were posted on another board and on YOUTUBE ABOUT THE 1984 AMAs and sort of explains Mike's feelings about his relationship with Diana.

"I alway loved was ay the end of that clip whe he walk on stage and they kissed again that night. Also with the lipstick on his lips i wonder how many kisses did Michael get that night from Diana.

Another thing, you guys are right Michael and Diana were clearly throwing themselves to the public that they loved eachother that night but the public was just to dumb. When I first saw this video even has me not being there live in person pick up the love they had for each other. I guess to the public they should have stripped naked and had xes right on the stage for everyone to start believing it."



"if memory and video serves, wasn't it Diana who kissed Michael on the lips at the '84 AMAs and the /'96 WMAs? Personally, I think the biggest obstacle to their relationship was the fact that Katherine strongly disliked Diana, and wanted her nowhere near Michael. So, Michael, having such respect for his mother while at the same time very much a mind of his own, did his best to keep his relationship with Diana under wraps. I do believe all of his siblings were aware of it though. Just my opinion".



"If only Diana hadn't interrupted Michael, I really would have love to hear what he's got to say further.
If to say Michael was able to say something about him and Diana's secret affair, I believe the outcome of their relationship would have been different to what it is now, I am not saying that they would necessarily have gotten married but their romance would have been in the open rather than them having to sneak around behind closed doors, even though of course a lot of people/ fans wouldn't have approved of their relationship but they might have found a way to overcome that.
Who knows????



"I feel as well that Michael would have love everyone to know about him and Diana, he would have love to shout it from the roof top but as someone mentioned Diana would have wanted them to keep their secret affair in the closet, which makes me think that from the beginning, Michael was either hoping that Diana would change her mind about them not going public with their romance or he did know all along that he would never get what he really wanted from the relationship (which was marriage and kids) but he went along with it out of desperation because he knew that if he didn't agree to a secret relationship with her, he would be in the danger of loosing her and his opportunity of having a romantic/ xesual relationship with her.

So yes! I feel he wanted to reveal his true relationship with Diana at the 84 Amas and because Michael never hide his love for Diana in public, I have always felt that it was Diana who wanted them to keep their romance secret, if it was only up to Michael, he would have happily revealed their true relationship long time ago but he didn't out of his love and respect for his beloved".



"Haha! I love that Michael still had lipstick on his lips..hehehe! Even with his dark shades you can tell he was very emotional and in love with Diana. And yeah, I noticed Diana's ring too...maybe it was just a ring and not an engagement ring. Also, I wonder if Brooke was just a beard to hide Diana and Michael's relationship from the media and public. Remember in 1991 when Mike and Madonna went to the Oscars and then at the after Oscar's party Diana shows up alone and we see that photo of Diana on MJ's lap? I believe Madonna was a beard too. I mean, Diana shows up at the party alone without a date...that doesn't seem like something Diana would normally do. She went there for Michael".



"You are so right, as soon as Mike set his eyes on Diana, he totally forgot who Brooke was, he never even mention her that night, but he certainly did a lot of goshing on Diana, poor Brooke, I wonder what Brooke thought about Mike's reaction to Diana that night, or maybe she knew what was going on??? it's clear that night that the only woman on Mike's mind was Diana

I have never really paid full attention of that 1982 EBONY interview with Mike until you re-posted it again yesterday and you are right, it's as if Mike was saying in that interview, that him and Brooke were just good friends (they talk a lot on the phone) to me this declaration doesn't exactly sound very romantic, does it???? to mean this says he and Brooke weren't together romantically, as you wouldn't be declaring your love for another woman if you were already with a girl, would you???? then Mike went on to say he loved Diana and wanted to marry her, you would think the interview would have got the hint of what Mike was saying, but of course he wasn't taken seriously.

I find that interview really patronising towards Mike (especially the bit talking about how Mike felt about Diana), the interviewer knew very well what Mike meant when he said "I LOVE DIANA ROSS" and the interviewer has got the nerves to ask "DO YOU MEAN AS A BIG SISTER???" if that's not patronising then I don't know what is and of course when Mike went on to say "NO THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEAN" he still wasn't taken seriously"


"Make no mistake about it; he was sex!ng Diana! She was his first -when he was 20-and she was 34; and they had an affair for years. When everybody "thought" he was with Brooke Shields, his heart, body and soul belonged to Diana. It was HER idea to keep it a secret, not his. Mike was whipped! She was never committed to him and she basically dogged him and went and married that Naess guy. Michael never got over her but, don't get it twisted, Mike was a man, he was "gettin it in" with Diana. (if you know what I mean)."



"I bet Michael felt so much love for Diana before they had xes, imagine after? Oh Lord, the feelings that come after you have xes with someone you were already in love with, whew! My heart breaks for him as he had to stand by and watch her create a family with a man that should have been him.
I just wish Diana could have loved him so, so much that she was like media be damned and just ran off and married him, but I don't think she felt that way. If I did I know I would say screw the world, I'd be with him. They have to live their lives, no one else, why shouldn't the be happy? They're two grown people and I don't see fans turning against him because of that. Fans know about them, I think they would be fine with it eventually."



"I don't want to think about the fact that Michael didn't get his one true love. Diana was seriously his one and only. He had her but didn't really have her. There is nothing worse than watching someone you love and adore love someone else. I don't care if they did make love or not because it would have been in secret and he didn't build the love and family he wanted with her, he wanted her to be his wife and love him forever, because he sure as heck would have cherished her until his dying day. God Diana, how could you let him go"?



"I just want to say one thing. A lot of people are saying that Michael & Diana WOULD HAVE been a secret lovers when they were behind close doors. I think that they were more than friends, and I don't think that she looked at him as a son judging by the videos I see with him and her. I mean, I don't understand why you people still insisted on thinking that they had nothing going on when it's written all over both of their faces. Of course Diana's not going to tell the public that they had an affair. They will tear her up"


People may say whatever they want...but for me, MJ & DR LOVE each other very deeply, in fact their love is one of those very very very rare one where body, mind and soul fit each other perfectly, where they don't need to say anything to each other but by just looking at the both of them you can see, feel and sense that the 2 of them were made for each other, that they were a match made in heaven, let's just say that they were "soul mates" but life and circumstances didn't allow them to share that PURE LOVE".


"First of all, I think everyone here agrees that Michael and Diana would have made a great couple, from what we know of them and the footage of them together. It's beyond a doubt that Michael loved her on every single level - as a mother, a friend, a sister, a confidante, a lover. He's said so himself on multiple occassions and in no uncertain terms. His body language screams it. One need only look at the utter adoration in his eyes at the 1996 WMA's to fathom the depth of his devotion for her.. it's a love so pure and true it still sends shivers up my spine. And that this love continued throughout his life and into his death only makes it more admirable and touching in our eyes... in many ways I feel like he was a slave to it. It seems like a love so noble I love him all the more for it.


So naturally I wish with all my heart he got the romance he desired above all else. I think a lot of us are right in believing that MJ and Diana did have a romantic relationship at some point in their lives.
At the end of the day, only two people know for certain the nature of their multi-faceted relationship, and it pains me that one of them isn't around anymore. And I certainly hope that Diana continues to honour the trust he had in her and protect the privacy he so desperately fought for because I truly believe that what MJ & DR shared together was very private and between them."



"I also believe Michael and Diana were more than friends. I feel he loved her all his life till the day he left. I agree with MSMJLUV, everytime he was around her, he lit up like a Christmas tree Even when he was with other women, he couldn't hide his love for Diana...he accompanied Madonna to the Oscars, but Diana was the one on his lap during commercial breaks....he married Lisa, but Diana was the one he wanted in the hospital with him and the one he was fawning over at the 96 WMAs in Monaco, he often dated Brooke, but Diana was the one he fawned over in public.
I do believe that MJ loved Lisa and Brooke, however I believe Diana was his "Ever After"...."



"I love seeing Mike and Diana together. I don't suppose we will ever know the full truth until after Diana is no longer with us either. I don't think she will ever reveal anything herself, their relationship was clearly very private. Much as it breaks my heart to admit it I don't think she loved Michael 100% as much as he loved her, beause if she had they would have married at some stage.

But perhaps when she is no longer with us others who were close to them both might give a few clues as to their true relationship. Her son Evan has already said that Michael was a huge part of their family, so they clearly did have a lot of contact right up to the end."

"I have come to the conclusion that Diana Ross was the absolute love of Michael's life. I think they had a lifelong very secret relationship together, It is the most romantic thing in the world that he loved Diana all of his life and no one else could ever compare. Sometimes though, even if you have your dreams crushed and your heart is broken, you simply have to go on with your life, which Michael tried to do but I don't think he ever got over his love for Diana. I only hope that she loved him as much as he seems to have loved her. I am sure their age difference was a big problem in those days."
 

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You really shouldnt board drag comments from other places over here. Its considered poor etiquette and people like to think their comments are private many times. I've seen some here from a private board and I know those girls wouldnt care for it. You are creative enough to write your own...go for it.
 

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Now you are really reaching.. You obviously do not know the history of Naomi who has drug problems and is so aggressive she has been banned from British Airways. And as for Tatiana there were rumors of her being a call girl. If this is what you call classy you must be on crack yourself.

No, you're the one reaching not me, lol. Naomi wasn't on drugs back in 1992 when MJ did 'In the Closet' and went of several dates with her, all the drug stuff happened after the fact, lol. And the British accepted Naomi giving her a job modeling before they banned her many years later. By the way, you said Naomi was on drugs, MJ was on drugs himself, addicted to painkillers in 1993, and had to have Liz Taylor take him off to rehab, but MJ sure wasn't ghetto like the hood rat Miki. And those are only rumors about Tatiana, lol. And Tatiana use to do ballet, that's classy to me, sorry, lol.

And if you read my previous post clearly, I clearly said that I should of said MJ didn't like 'Ghetto women', sense that seem to be more upfront of what I'm trying to say. Tatiana isn't ghetto, Naomi isn't ghetto, by the way I love Naomi's British accent, she reminds me of Susan Etok who also has a British accent. None of these women are 'ghetto' whatever they maybe, they sure aren't ghetto, not like that ghetto hood rat Miki, lol, and that's what attracted MJ to these women, he could relate to them of not being ghetto, lol.

MJ didn't like ghetto people, just look at his 'Bad' video, he hated ghetto low class people, "you ain't nothing", lol. MJ liked people at least with a little decency, like Naomi Campell, Tatiana, Susan Etok, Diana Ross, Grace Rwaramba, who was the mother figure for his children who is not ghetto, and people like Brooke Shields who is not ghetto. This is my point. MJ didn't like ghetto women, and Miki is one low class, ghetto hood rat, crack head, lol.
 

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No, you're the one reaching not me, lol. Naomi wasn't on drugs bapresent :pdance:n 1992 when MJ did 'In the Closet' and went of several dates with her, all the drug stuff happened after the fact, lol. And the British accepted Naomi giving her a job modeling before they banned her many years later. By the way, you said Naomi was on drugs, MJ was on drugs himself, addicted to painkillers in 1993, and had to have Liz Taylor take him off to rehab, but MJ sure wasn't ghetto like the hood rat Miki. And those are only rumors about Tatiana, lol. And Tatiana use to do ballet, that's classy to me, sorry, lol.

And if you read my previous post clearly, I clearly said that I should of said MJ didn't like 'Ghetto women', sense that seem to be more upfront of what I'm trying to say. Tatiana isn't ghetto, Naomi isn't ghetto, by the way I love Naomi's British accent, she reminds me of Susan Etok who also has a British accent. None of these women are 'ghetto' whatever they maybe, they sure aren't ghetto, not like that ghetto hood rat Miki, lol, and that's what attracted MJ to these women, he could relate to them of not being ghetto, lol.

MJ didn't like ghetto people, just look at his 'Bad' video, he hated ghetto low class people, "you ain't nothing", lol. MJ liked people at least with a little decency, like Naomi Campell, Tatiana, Susan Etok, Diana Ross, Grace Rwaramba, who was the mother figure for his children who is not ghetto, and people like Brooke Shields who is not ghetto. This is my point. MJ didn't like ghetto women, and Miki is one low class, ghetto hood rat, crack head, lol.
Naomi is ghetto, she even comes from a ghetto part of London.

And as for Miki back in 1980 she was not on drugs, her drug abused happened during her marriage. She was talented and beautiful and if she and Mj did have a relationship, back then it would have been understandable.

You go on about Susan etok, because she is doctor and therefore she is automatically classy. A true classy woman would present herself much better than that, she was an opportuntist at best and a fraud at worse.
 

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Naomi is ghetto, she even comes from a ghetto part of London.

And as for Miki back in 1980 she was not on drugs, her drug abused happened during her marriage. She was talented and beautiful and if she and Mj did have a relationship, back then it would have been understandable.

You go on about Susan etok, because she is doctor and therefore she is automatically classy. A true classy woman would present herself much better than that, she was an opportuntist at best and a fraud at worse.


Michael Jackson was from a ghetto part of Indiana, but he's not ghetto, and neither is Naomi Campbell who was from a ghetto part of London. I just love Naomi's beautiful British accent, he he, lol. Miki is the ONLY ghetto hood rat here, lol. By Miki's persona you can tell she's ghetto, she speaks ghetto, she acts ghetto, anyone can tell someone's ghetto by the way they speak, and act, ghetto is written all over Miki, lol. All ghetto people seem to talk and act the same, the women and men.

And drugs has absolutely nothing to do with Miki's ghettoness, many people were on drugs and are not ghetto. Lisa Marie was on drugs, Naomi Campbell was on drugs, even Michael Jackson was on drugs back in 1993 and he had to be taken to rehab by Liz Taylor, but neither of them are ghetto, Miki is, whether on drugs or not. Drugs don't make you ghetto, you become ghetto based on how you were raised, and Miki is one ghetto woman, lol. MJ wouldn't in a million years even dare to go near ghetto Miki.

And regardless if Susan Etok was a opportunist or not, she's still not ghetto, there are many opportunist who are not ghetto, you sound silly, lol. You just said so yourself in a pervious post that Susan Etok was an opportunist just like Uri Geller, who you also call an opportunist, and Uri Geller is certainly not ghetto, lol. So regardless if Susan Etok was an opportunist or not, she isn't ghetto, lol. Miki is what you call ghetto, lol.
 

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