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So since we are on the subject of the Debarges...

Does anybody have any hot tea on Janet Jackson and James Debarge's "alleged child"?


No tea on them. Other than the fact that she use to go to the 'hood looking for his strung out ass when he would go out for drugs. But I'm pretty sure that that's common knowledge. I assumed the whole child thing was bogus but people seem to think that's legit. :struggle:
 

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Billy Dee Williams and Marvin Gaye despised of Diana Ross. Marvin Gaye and many other Motown acts always felt that they were more talented than Diana and if Barry would have invested more time into them that they would be just as successful.
 

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Chris Clark?

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I'm not sure who the white act is. That's just what I heard, but it rings a bell. Most of my knowledge is second hand. I defintely know it's not Teena Marie so you could be right. :struggle:


As far as the Lionel Richie thing is concerned, her only reason would be for tracks. After all, Lionel has been known since his Commadore days for being a great songwriter. But he made a snide comment about her being cold and distant at a function once so I assume they are not exactly on the best of terms.
 

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What I wanna know is:

1) Did Diana Ross ever sleep with Billy Dee Williams (who stars in "Motown" funded films; what's his tie to Gordy?)

2) Did Ms. Ross show ass at Florence's funeral?

3) Who did Ms. Ross say was her daughter's father before it was leaked that it was Gordy's or did the daughter know & they all kept it from others?

*Note: Motown drama mainly stems from one common factor: Diana "fµck!ng" Ross LOL

regarding the second question...didnt someone on this board say that she brought a camera crew with her or soemthing to florence's funeral?and didnt stay long either? like came up...cried...had her pic taken and bounced. diana aint sh!t. :dead:
 

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For all the Marvin lovers... here's an interview with Janis Gaye. Marvin met Janis when she was 16 and it was love at first sight... supposedly he was recording "Let's Get It On" when she was at the studio the first day they met and the reason the song is so passionate is because he was looking at her while he sang.

Tavis Smiley . Shows . Jan Gaye . April 1, 2009 | PBS

:dead: @ Janis saying that her and her mother were BOTH trying to get with Marvin. SMH.

My favorite album by Marvin is "I Want You" and Janis was the inspiration behind the entire album, so kudos to Janice.


Smokey Robinson was a womanizer too.


I love vintage tea.:pdance:
 

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My favorite album by Marvin is "I Want You" and Janis was the inspiration behind the entire album, so kudos to Janice.


Smokey Robinson was a womanizer too.


I love vintage tea.:pdance:

Thank you Janice! lol

Every rung on her Motown career ladder was composed of a dick :wink:

I like Diana as a performer, but...so true.... lol
 
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I'm not sure who the white act is. That's just what I heard, but it rings a bell. Most of my knowledge is second hand. I defintely know it's not Teena Marie so you could be right. :struggle:


As far as the Lionel Richie thing is concerned, her only reason would be for tracks. After all, Lionel has been known since his Commadore days for being a great songwriter. But he mad a snide comment about her being cold and distant at a function once so I assume they are not exactly on the best of terms.

Yep I'm pretty sure it's her, she did cowrite "Lady Sing Blues" which starred Diana Ross and got a oscar nomination. They probably had a "celebration" afterwards.
 

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Did Diana and Gladys ever clash because Diana took credit for discovering the Jackson 5? I laughed when she denied preferential treatment because of her relationship with Berry in an interview.
 

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I want to know did Marvin really love Berry Gordy's sister, or was it a smart career move?
 
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this is gonna turn into the diana thread, lol.

I want more Marvin and Tammi tea...

I remember reading in a biography about Marvin that he didn't care for Prince (especially after he hit it big with "I Wanna Be Your Lover"). A lot of the reviewers at the time were referring to Prince as a new xes symbol. As some might remember, Marvin was referred to as the Prince of Motown and was considered to be one of the sexiest black men in the business at that time. He kind of felt that Prince stole some of his thunder.
 

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Did Diana and Gladys ever clash because Diana took credit for discovering the Jackson 5? I laughed when she denied preferential treatment because of her relationship with Berry in an interview.

I don't know if they ever clashed about but I heard Gladys was less than please to put it kindly. It was another example of Berry extending his hand to help Diana branch out into a solo career. It was clear that Berry played favorites with Diana, Michael, and Smokey. He liked to groom solo stars and push them into the limelight and eventually give them the platform to become huge through their respected groups. Not for any reason but business. Make no mistake, Michael tried to get the publishing and royalties for his work for the Jackson 5 but he never could. His percentage rate from Motown was 2.7%. It's kind of ironic, given the way he was able to manuever other publishing rights but he couldn't get it from Motown. :struggle:
 
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Here's a vid for Marvin Gaye fans with two former motown employees. It's too funny.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMt18phyFZs]YouTube - Russ and Ralph Discussing Marvin Gaye[/ame]
 

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I remember reading in a biography about Marvin that he didn't care for Prince (especially after he hit it big with "I Wanna Be Your Lover"). A lot of the reviewers at the time were referring to Prince as a new xes symbol. As some might remember, Marvin was referred to as the Prince of Motown and was considered to be one of the sexiest black men in the business at that time. He kind of felt that Prince stole some of his thunder.

aww poor Marvin... lol

Sorry but Prince aint got nothing on Marvin...sorry to all Prince fans, hes great, but hes no Marvin :pwink:
 

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aww poor Marvin... lol

Sorry but Prince aint got nothing on Marvin...sorry to all Prince fans, hes great, but hes no Marvin :pwink:

Bolded and highlighted for emphasis. There will NEVER be another Marvin. I am sad that he passed before my time though.
 

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Okay then, let's switch gears: Was Suzanne de Passe having an affair with Gordy when she was coming up in the industry?
 

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this is gonna turn into the diana thread, lol.

I want more Marvin and Tammi tea...

It's hard not to get stuck on Dirty Diana. LOL

I'm always up for some Smokey tea. Or anything on the Temptations.
 

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Nightmare Childhood

His endless idle time allowed Marvin Gay Sr. to focus on his children.


Although he had given up the House of God, he pressed its many prohibitions on his family. He forbade athletics, dancing, movies, television and popular music. His daughters were not allowed to wear sleeveless dresses, nylons, lipstick, nail polish or open-toed shoes.
He forced his children to observe an extended Sabbath, from Friday afternoon until midday Sunday. He drilled them on Biblical passages and administered beatings for incorrect answers.
All four Gay children were bed-wetters, and this, too, prompted beatings.

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"Living with father was something like living with a king, a very peculiar, changeable, cruel and all-powerful king," Marvin Gaye told biographer Ritz. "You were supposed to tip-toe around his moods. You were supposed to do anything to win his favor. I never did. Even though winning his love was the ultimate goal of my childhood, I defied him. I hated his attitude... If it wasn't for mother, who was always there to console me and praise my singing, I think I would have been one of those child suicides you read about in the papers."Marvin Jr. bore the brunt of the abuse. He could be provoked for the most picayune offenses—when he used his hairbrush or came home 15 minutes late from school.
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Marvin Gaye & Alberta (his mother)

Alberta Gay said, "My husband never wanted Marvin, and he never liked him. He used to say that he didn't think he was really his child. I told him that was nonsense. He knew Marvin was his. But for some reason he didn't love Marvin and, what worse, he didn't want me to love Marvin either. Marvin wasn't very old before he understood that."Jeanne Gay said, "From the time he was 7 until he became a teenager, Marvin's life at home consisted of a series of brutal whippings."




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Marvin continued to have xesual relationships with Anna Gordy's old ass and Janis even after he divorced the both of them. LMAO. My Marvin was kinda crazy. :shame:
 
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LMAO this might be slightly off topic but James Brown had no love for Prince back in the day:

A friend of ours who used to write for Rolling Stone told us an amusing story about the recently departed James Brown. It was back in the early 80’s and this reporter called James to ask his opinion of the new sensation Prince, who was being compared to him. Prince’s shiny suits, pompadour hair, and melodramatic songs were reminiscent of early James Brown. When our reporter got James on the phone and brought up Prince, Brown didn’t hold back. “He’s a skinny imitation of me!” growled the Godfather of Soul. “HE RIPPED ME OFF!” The moves, the style, the hair – I did it all first!” We don’t know if James became more politically correct later on, but he had no love for Prince back then.
 

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Marvin's daddy possibly homosexual


Marvin Sr. "Enjoying the Whole Thing"

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Marvin Gaye, young

"It wasn't simply that my father beat me, though that was bad enough," Gaye said. "He'd say, 'Boy, you're going to get a whipping.' Then he'd tell me to take off my clothes and send me to the bedroom... It wouldn't have been so awful if he had hit me right away. But father liked mind games. He'd play with me. He'd make me wait an hour, or even more, all the while jangling his belt buckle loud enough so I could hear... When he finally struck me, I knew—children know these things—that something inside him was enjoying the whole thing."Marvin Sr. was the antithesis of the macho stereotype of an abusive man. He was trim and effeminate and often dressed in women's blouses and wigs.
As Marvin Jr. told Ritz, "My father likes to wear women's clothing... To tell you the truth, I have the same fascination with women's clothes. In my case, that has nothing to do with any attraction for men. xesually, men don't interest me. But seeing myself as a woman is something that intrigues me. It's also something I fear. I indulge myself only at the most discreet and intimate moments. Afterward I must bear the guilt and shame for weeks."
The writer asked Alberta whether her husband was homosexual.
"I'm not certain," she said. "I do know that five of his siblings were homosexual. And it's true that he liked soft clothing... He liked to wear my panties, my shoes, my gowns, even my nylon hose."
 

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Well although not MOTOWN.......
:secret:BOBBY WOMACK married and cheated on SAM COOKS' WIDOW with THEIR daughter. When she found out she tried to KILL him. Literally.:beat-up:
The daughter went on to MARRY Bobby Womacks' Brother.
They are still together......They sing that song, "Baby I'm scared of you":disdain:
 

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Diana was such a hoe back in the day...I love it !! please keep the tea coming forlks!!
 

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While Gaye had built a musical persona as the ultimate lover, his real love life was a wreck.
His April-November marriage to Anna Gordy had been tempestuous from the start and included physical violence.
Marvin said, "We came to blows on more than one occasion, and I'm going to tell you something: Anna could hold her own."
The couple had failed to conceive a child so in 1965 had faked a pregnancy, with Anna wearing maternity clothes and Marvin bragging about the upcoming birth. On her due date they adopted a son they named Marvin III.
The ruse was planned by Marvin, apparently shamed by the lack of manliness that adoption might imply.
Anna and Marvin split up frequently, and both had many lovers during their decade together. Marvin had begun indulging himself in pornography and had a recurring xesual fantasy about a promiscuous young woman who took on many lovers while he watched.
According to Motown legend, Marvin was in the studio recording the title track to his 1973 album, "Let's Get It On," when a teenager named Janice Hunter walked into the control room. Janice was an aspiring singer, and she had begged her father, a co-producer of the record, to introduce her to Gaye.
Marvin said it was lust at first sight. Hunter, he said, was "the figure in my fantasy come to life." He said he recorded "Let's Get It On" while looking in young Hunter's eyes.
And they got it on.


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"He Wanted To Suffer"

Although he was 33 and Janice 16, the girl's mother "encouraged the relationship," Gaye said.
The lovers holed up in a mountaintop cabin in Topanga Canyon, California. She soon was pregnant, and Nona Gaye arrived in September 1974.
"My first feeling was one of joy and happiness," Gaye said. "Naturally, still being married to Anna, things were a little complicated. But I've learned over the years that sometimes complications are best handled when they're ignored."
Another child, Frankie, was born 14 months later.
Anna and Marvin divorced in 1977, and he married Janice months later. By then, Marvin was using Janice as his voyeurism fantasy dream lover.
Oddly, the singer shared details about his kinky xes life with his mother, Alberta. She said Marvin's sexuality had been informed by Anna Gordy Gaye.
"Anna taught Marvin certain tricks—tricks with her body, xes tricks—that Marvin taught Jan," Alberta told writer Ritz.
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Marvin Gaye, Janice and his children

As with Anna, Marvin's relationship with Janice included physical violence that some view as a sign of self-loathing. As writer Robert Christgau put it, Gaye "found himself despising women for doing the kinky things he forced them to do."Before she was 21, Janice had been shooed into affairs with a number of singers, including Frankie Beverly, Rick James and Teddy Pendergrass.
Jeanne Gay said, "Marvin didn't just ask Jan to fool around, but he'd become angry at her when she refused to obey and wouldn't tell him the stories of the affairs he wanted her to have."
His mother added, "He wanted Janice to go with other men. Then he'd suffer with the consequences. He wanted to suffer."


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I forgot the tidbit about him making Janis have xes with other men. I think this song, "All The Way Around"... was about his fantasy of a promiscuous woman. And coincidentally, it was off the "I Want You" album that was inspired by Janis.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA5JJ5Qcxa8]YouTube - Marvin Gaye - All The Way Around[/ame]



 

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Let's Get It On

While Gaye had built a musical persona as the ultimate lover, his real love life was a wreck.
His April-November marriage to Anna Gordy had been tempestuous from the start and included physical violence.
Marvin said, "We came to blows on more than one occasion, and I'm going to tell you something: Anna could hold her own."
The couple had failed to conceive a child so in 1965 had faked a pregnancy, with Anna wearing maternity clothes and Marvin bragging about the upcoming birth. On her due date they adopted a son they named Marvin III.
The ruse was planned by Marvin, apparently shamed by the lack of manliness that adoption might imply.
Anna and Marvin split up frequently, and both had many lovers during their decade together. Marvin had begun indulging himself in pornography and had a recurring xesual fantasy about a promiscuous young woman who took on many lovers while he watched.
According to Motown legend, Marvin was in the studio recording the title track to his 1973 album, "Let's Get It On," when a teenager named Janice Hunter walked into the control room. Janice was an aspiring singer, and she had begged her father, a co-producer of the record, to introduce her to Gaye.
Marvin said it was lust at first sight. Hunter, he said, was "the figure in my fantasy come to life." He said he recorded "Let's Get It On" while looking in young Hunter's eyes.
And they got it on.
 
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Bobby Womack says in his book, "Midnight Mover," that Marvin Gaye was a genius but he wanted to die like a hobo. Marvin also had a freaky side. 'He told me once about driving down Sunset Boulevard having xes with a hooker in the back of the car while his wife was at the wheel.' One time we were at the studio, Marvin said, 'When I go out I want to go like I came. With nothing.' A few weeks before he died in 1984, we had an album planned. His son Marvin III, was putting it together. When I turned up at the studio to record. Marvin's son was embarrassed. He told me, 'Marvin ain't going to make it tonight.' Towards the end of his life, he was walking around unshaven, in his pajamas with an overcoat on top. When he died, I knew he had problems with taxes so I found out where his second wife Janis lived. I called her up and told her what Marvin meant to me and then I went out to the beach where she lived and slipped her a couple of thousand bucks. I knew everything that Marvin had left undone would be on her.
Oh my!
 

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"He Wanted To Suffer"

Although he was 33 and Janice 16, the girl's mother "encouraged the relationship," Gaye said.
The lovers holed up in a mountaintop cabin in Topanga Canyon, California. She soon was pregnant, and Nona Gaye arrived in September 1974.
"My first feeling was one of joy and happiness," Gaye said. "Naturally, still being married to Anna, things were a little complicated. But I've learned over the years that sometimes complications are best handled when they're ignored."
Another child, Frankie, was born 14 months later.
Anna and Marvin divorced in 1977, and he married Janice months later. By then, Marvin was using Janice as his voyeurism fantasy dream lover.
Oddly, the singer shared details about his kinky xes life with his mother, Alberta. She said Marvin's sexuality had been informed by Anna Gordy Gaye.
"Anna taught Marvin certain tricks—tricks with her body, xes tricks—that Marvin taught Jan," Alberta told writer Ritz.
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Marvin Gaye, Janice and his children

As with Anna, Marvin's relationship with Janice included physical violence that some view as a sign of self-loathing. As writer Robert Christgau put it, Gaye "found himself despising women for doing the kinky things he forced them to do."Before she was 21, Janice had been shooed into affairs with a number of singers, including Frankie Beverly, Rick James and Teddy Pendergrass.
Jeanne Gay said, "Marvin didn't just ask Jan to fool around, but he'd become angry at her when she refused to obey and wouldn't tell him the stories of the affairs he wanted her to have."
His mother added, "He wanted Janice to go with other men. Then he'd suffer with the consequences. He wanted to suffer."
 

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I know that Aretha wasn't at Motown but I have a question

Originally Posted by ~YD~ * In 2003, her second oldest son, Edward Franklin, was under investigationfor setting fire to one of her mansions in Bloomfield township, MI when police discovered him smelling of smoke and found traces of flame acclerant on his clothing close the scene of the crime. The arson charges were later dropped due to lack of evidence and because Aretha, her friend/employee/former fire chief, and Edward's lover George West wouldn't cooperate with the police and prosecutors. It is a well-known rumor that Edward is strung out on drugs and alcohol, openly gay and infected with AIDS and has resented his mother for years because he was molested by her ex-husband, actor Glynn Turman, when he was younger.
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this glynn turman???

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from a different world??? I cannot believe he molested Aretha's son!!!!
 

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The World Closes In

During the 1970s, he toured only to pay off mounting debts—including a $2 million tax bill for failing to give the government its share of record advances.
A divorce lawsuit filed by Anna brought new financial pressures after a judge ordered him to pay her $5,500 per month in the interim before settlement.
Gaye was earning $20,000 a month in 1975, according to biographer Steve Turner, and his production company earned a profit of $1.2 million that year from the singer's national tour.
Yet Gaye could not come up with $5,500 a month for his wife and adopted son because he was blowing his cash on cocaine and other indulgences.
He bought his parents a neo-Tudor mansion in L.A.'s Crenshaw district. He bought himself a 5-acre estate in Hidden Hills, complete with a full-sized basketball court and elaborate horse stables, even though he had no interest in horses. He bought an interest in the New Orleans Jazz NBA franchise.
He bought oceanfront property in Jamaica. He bought 14 cars, including a Rolls Royce, a Jaguar and several Mercedes Benzes. He bought a speedboat, a small yacht, an RV and a couple of tractors.
He bought financial interests in a series of professional boxers—paying their expenses in anticipation of future earnings. None ever panned out.
He built an elaborate recording studio on Sunset Boulevard in L.A., complete with a suite with a king-size waterbed and a hot tub large enough to accommodate a harem.
After seeking $1 million, Anna Gordy Gaye agreed to settle the divorce for a lump-sum payment of $600,000, money that Marvin expected to earn by recording an album for that single purpose.
The 1978 record, cattily entitled "Here, My Dear," was a critical and commercial flop, with its self-centered themes and titles such as "Anger" and "You Can Leave, but It's Going to Cost You," a reference to Anna's warning that the "young girl" Hunter would cost Gaye a fortune.
But the payment to Anna resolved only one small part of his debt woes.
An ex-manager claimed Gaye owed him $2 million. Four musicians had successfully sued Gaye for $200,000 in back pay, and California authorities shuttered his studio for nonpayment of taxes.
His last gasp at regaining financial footing came on September 28, 1979, when a fighter he owned, Andy Price, took on welterweight champion Sugar Ray Leonard.
"If Price could win, I was looking at millions of dollars in future revenues," Gaye said. "With one blow I could... clean up my whole financial mess."
Leonard knocked out Gaye's man in the first round.
 

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