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Eventual integration was apart of BTWs plan. He thought we should wait until they invited us because we were “worthy”

the last part...you are dead on for some.
Cool, even if eventual integration was part of the plan, you still have your own sh!t and, when necessary, can compete on a much more balanced playing field.
And if integration never comes about, you still have your own sh!t.
 

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From what I'm hearing, the movie took a lot of liberties. I saw someone else say that they didn't care for the portrayal of Anne Malone (who was a millionaire herself and donated a lot of money to black colleges as well as orphanages). It seems like they may have turned some ppl into villains to created drama for madame CJ.

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“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”


Booker T. Washington

Damn, that's a bar. We still see that happening today. Ppl love indulging in black slave/struggle films. It's so much the norm that a director said that Black Panther was giving black kids unrealistic ideals.

Oh my God when I saw that scene I could not believe what he said. All Madame wanted to do was lift up black women she did not want to emasculate black men. Booker had it all wrong. You can not lift up a race without also lifting up the women of that race. I don’t understand why someone who is oppressed would want to oppress others. I should not be shocked though because back then a lot of men where misogynistic but it was still hurtful to see. I hope that he did not really feel that way in real life.

This is why Malcolm X is one of my GOAT favs to tha day. He wasn't perfect but he understood that when you raise a woman to be great, she raises her children to be great and that makes a great nation. Some men's egos are so fragile

 

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Thread full of black American women complaining about American black men not having sh!t in a capitalistic nation while at the same shitting on probably the most capitalistic minded American black man in history. Primarily because the foresight he had means no weave wearing today, bears some semblance to that recent thing about how blacks would rather look like the have money than have it. Rather try to look like a white woman than listen to those with the insight and foresight to elevate blacks to the position where black women will be on par with this mythical status many of them feel white women are on.


Black women do not wear weave to be like whites but I'll play along with your stupidity for a moment. Let's say they do. Still doesn't negate the fact that no one throughout history has kissed more white ass than black males, although Asians may give you some competition. And please don't forget that even Malcolm X at one point had a perm, like many black males who also wanted the straight hair white people have. Just because most of you no longer wish to have the outward appearance of whites doesn't mean you've discarded their white supremacist mentality and its bidding. Your comment should serve as exhibit B, with A being your collective performance of what white men want you to do....fail.
 

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No one throughout history has kissed more white ass than black males, although Asians may give you some competition. And please don't forget that even Malcolm X at one point had a perm, like many black males who also wanted the straight hair white people have. Just because most of you no longer wish to have the outward appearance of whites doesn't mean you've discarded their white supremacist mentality and its bidding. Your comment should serve as exhibit B, with A being your collective performance of what white men want you to do....fail.
Really, I don’t see a cult of black males writing books on how to get a white girl, or attending seminars etc... I don’t need to go on you know the rest. Malcolm readily admitted he was confused. Black men and women are in the same boat I don’t know why that’s so hard for some of y’all to accept.
 

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I don't know if Booker T said that or not. This film took a lot of liberty and it's best to do your own research on the individuals mentioned.

I will say that it took a grown Layli to appreciate Booker T. Not saying I agree 100%, but as an adult navigating the world, I understood him more.

:noworthy

Even though I couldn't agree with him at every turn, he was on to something. So...

ME TOO!!!
 

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Really, I don’t see a cult of black males writing books on how to get a white girl, or attending seminars etc... I don’t need to go on you know the rest. Malcolm readily admitted he was confused. Black men and women are in the same boat I don’t know why that’s so hard for some of y’all to accept.


Please! Nipsey Hussle's death encouraged y'all to read :embarrassed. Y'all should be the last to come for anyone.

Look, you might want to leave me alone and go back to what you do best, picking lint off your balls in your mom's basement. You're no match.
 

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Well he was 100% correct
Black women out earn Black Men today
Black ppl waste 7 billion a year on hair trying to look yt

Now the black family is led predominantly by Black women

#SeetheHotepFeminist

:laugh2:laugh2

Here it goes. Trying to demean black women because they refuse to allow the black community to be totally broken.
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I didn't watch this movie yet. However, Madame C. J. Walker was also pushing bleaching creamsv too. No one ever mentions that she was a big advocate of skin bleaching. We only focus on the straightening combs which did come in clucth. This movie was written to honor Madame C.J.Walker so they aren' going to focus on the negatives. Not defending Booker T. Washington but I'm sure he wasn't this passionate over no damn hot combs.


Op, I know you said to state my opinion in 20 words or less but I'm long winded.
 

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It was a sign of times. Men were supposed to be the head of the household to include financially. Black women were at the bottom of the human chain.
 

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Please! Nipsey Hussle's death encouraged y'all to read :embarrassed. Y'all should be the last to come for anyone.

Look, you might want to leave me alone and go back to what you do best, picking lint off your balls in your mom's basement. You're no match.

Never have I even heard a Nipsey Hustle song. No match for what? You seem to be the one coming at me. I said a cult, if you’re not a member then what are you pissed about?
 

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If he didn’t say it they shouldn’t have even put it in there because I was so taken aback I had to press pause for a few minutes . What he said in the movie was disgusting.

People need to stop believing everything that happens in a biopic is 100% true because it's not.
 

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the situation calls for nuance for sure, but to brush it off as ‘well that was just the time’ is to denigrate the history of the Black women of the era who put in the work but were denied the legacy. It’s also to suppose that those attitudes haven’t evolved today.

What are you going to do about it? Go back in a time machine? We have evolved and are evolving.
 

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What are you going to do about it? Go back in a time machine? We have evolved and are evolving.

No, I’m not going back in a time machine, simply commenting on how we understand and represent history, and how that can help contextualize attitudes that still circulate today.
 

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I know this was much later, but is it true that black female civil rights activists were told not to speak at certain marches in order to make black men look better?
Do you know the name Diane Nash? Research her then ask yourself why you don't know a woman who organized thousands.

She's alive. Why aren't there award shows honoring her?

There are so many many more.
 

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Entirely movie is factually incorrect, including the colorist rival. I turnt it off, don't know who signed off on this I've never seen a fictional story on a civil rights figure before. Lebron should be ashamed of himself for greenlighting this and Octavia Spencer for agreeing to play this character. I just hope that the real madam CJ Walker and Addie Monroe continue to rest peacefully both were amazing strong black wommen.
 

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It tickles me that the people defending Booker T Washington could be descendants of the same people he thought were only worthy of vocational education in The Atlanta Compromise. It's clear they haven't read his books and don't know his core beliefs.
 

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Entirely movie is factually incorrect, including the colorist rival. I turnt it off, don't know who signed off on this I've never seen a fictional story on a civil rights figure before. Lebron should be ashamed of himself for greenlighting this and Octavia Spencer for agreeing to play this character. I just hope that the real madam CJ Walker and Addie Monroe continue to rest peacefully both were amazing strong black wommen.

I'm on ep. 3 and I don't like it. It's entirely problemmatic and poorly casted.
 

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But, TBH, all my black history and sociology classes had us looking at Booker T. with a mild side eye. Especially because he and W.E.B. DuBois butted heads a lot!

Booker T. was the OG of respectability politics, so he pushed for entrepreneurship a lot and thought that if black people just got their asses up and made businesses and made money, they would automatically be respected/equal. He frowned against protests for rights and freedoms because he felt like black people becoming richer would just solve everything. DuBois on the other hand wanted black people to be educated enough in addition to understand what they were going through and vocal/learned enough to speak out against oppression.

Peeps in my class drew comparisons to Ben Carson (the comparison can't be entirely accurate because different times...); Ben feels like him going from the projects to being this accomplished respectable surgeon automatically means "I can make it, why can't all black people do it to?" And white republicans use him to deny the fact that institutional racism is a thing that blocks peoples' opportunities. I hate that s***!
Washington's primary focus was ensuring Black men earned skills so they could be sovereign men who provided for their families.

It wasn't necessarily wealth alone but entrepreneurship + profit = sovereignty that he thought would inculcate Black people from the violence of & reliance on white supremacy.

I don't know if Ben Carson nor Herman Cain are great comparisons though they probably view him as an ideological father.
 

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I'm on ep. 3 and I don't like it. It's entirely problemmatic and poorly casted.
This was my main takeaway from it as well. They are basically weaking her many notable accomplishments in favor of a catty back and forth. Madame CJ was an icon entrepreneur, philanthropist, activist, and one of the first self made millionaires in America. Why couldn't her stories and accomplishments stand on their own.
 

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What Booker T. Washington said then, people are pushing now. Everyone is on the trade school bandwagon because all the corporate jobs have dried up and the ones left are paying trash salaries.

There is definitely a place for Booker’s philosophy. It takes all kinds of people to thrive.
 

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Booker T Washington was denied into college so he pulled himself up by the bootstraps and worked hard to become a successful civic leader and business man. So successful that he went on to build a world class college that still stands today.

He preached a "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" mentality (as did many others) because it worked for him. You can disagree with his methodology, but to turn this into a gender, light-skin debate is so damn ignorant and quite frankly...disrespectful. I really hope you don't teach this dumb crap you're spewing to kids smh.
You are delusional if you think it’s a coincidence that he and many other influential black people of the day were biracial.
 

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Yea fµck that bro

What you’re not gonna do is disrespect him. Absolutely not

Y’all talk all this sh!t about people who lived in circumstances you couldn’t even imagine and yet you still haven’t accomplished 1/4th of what they did.

what in the world qualifies you to speak on booker T. in that manner?
BTW was a human being with flaws. Not Ignoring the facts of what he preached vs. what he practiced is not disrespect, it’s critical thinking.
 

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It tickles me that the people defending Booker T Washington could be descendants of the same people he thought were only worthy of vocational education in The Atlanta Compromise. It's clear they haven't read his books and don't know his core beliefs.
Not at all!!!
 

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What Booker T. Washington said then, people are pushing now. Everyone is on the trade school bandwagon because all the corporate jobs have dried up and the ones left are paying trash salaries.

There is definitely a place for Booker’s philosophy. It takes all kinds of people to thrive.
Nothing has dried up...even in the midst of this chaos companies are still hiring. What people have done is given up trying and decided to go for what they think is an easier route. Unfortunately trade school isn’t easier than college, it’s just different. You still need to have mastered math, be able to read and comprehend, and communicate verbally or in writing.
 

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Booker T Washington was denied into college so he pulled himself up by the bootstraps and worked hard to become a successful civic leader and business man. So successful that he went on to build a world class college that still stands today.

He preached a "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" mentality (as did many others) because it worked for him. You can disagree with his methodology, but to turn this into a gender, light-skin debate is so damn ignorant and quite frankly...disrespectful. I really hope you don't teach this dumb crap you're spewing to kids smh.
And Booker T Washington was not denied a college education...he went to what is now Hampton University.

Hampton Institute and Booker T. Washington

The irony of a man who went to college, worked at a college, founded a college directing only a certain segment of the black American population to stick to trades and farming.
 
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Nothing has dried up...even in the midst of this chaos companies are still hiring. What people have done is given up trying and decided to go for what they think is an easier route. Unfortunately trade school isn’t easier than college, it’s just different. You still need to have mastered math, be able to read and comprehend, and communicate verbally or in writing.

I never wrote that trade school is easier.
I am saying there is more of a need for people in the trades.

To act like whole industries weren’t disrupted by the Internet is disingenuous.

To act like wages haven’t flattened or benefits weren’t cut is intellectually dishonest.

For most Americans, real wages have barely budged for decades
 

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I never wrote that trade school is easier.
I am saying there is more of a need for people in the trades.

To act like whole industries weren’t disrupted by the Internet is disingenuous.

To act like wages haven’t flattened or benefits weren’t cut is intellectually dishonest.

For most Americans, real wages have barely budged for decades
I never said wages didn’t flatten but that applies to people in many trades too
 

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Yea fµck that bro

What you’re not gonna do is disrespect him. Absolutely not

Y’all talk all this sh!t about people who lived in circumstances you couldn’t even imagine and yet you still haven’t accomplished 1/4th of what they did.

what in the world qualifies you to speak on booker T. in that manner?

Bolded for emphasis.
 

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The irony of a man who went to college,
worked at a college,
founded a college

directing only a certain segment of the black [male] American population to stick to trades and farming.
In hindsight was he wrong though? He understood something about Black men that his peers didn't want to accept.

By the time WEB Dubois died in the 60s, he was able to see what Booker T Washington predicted come to fruition.
 

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Also for those wondering about Washington's heritage, he never knew his father but he was believed to be a white man who raped his mother, who was a slave.

So? It was nothing more than a rumor back then. Keyshia Cole thought her father was white, too.
 

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That would have been great -- but Booker's father was an unknown white man who violated his mom during

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It was just a rumor. I've never believed the story.

He doesn't really look it. His features are too broad.
 

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