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She 100% was cut off at one point. He talked about being over her flip-flopping with what role she wanted to play the kids’ life and he shut it down. So I completely agree that her only means of communicating or getting his attention were lawsuits.

MJ has that habit and to be fair it must have made it so difficult for someone like her especially as she doesn’t have powerful links in Hollywood or a close relationship with his mother (at that time). He really shouldn’t have cut her off completely like that cause she loved him.
 

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MJ has that habit and to be fair it must have made it so difficult for someone like her especially as she doesn’t have powerful links in Hollywood or a close relationship with his mother (at that time). He really shouldn’t have cut her off completely like that cause she loved him.
He loved her too as a friend and his surrogate.
 

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I say that because he was saying crazy stuff like MJ was alive and he got evolved with the cascios and those fake songs.

He death must’ve hit him so hard! He has such love and respect for MJ and I think sometimes even I forget how hard his passing must have been to people like Teddy.
 

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Possibly cause Debbie gave him freedom and loyalty which mattered to him but I think long term he would’ve felt guilty playing the field while been married to her. Otherwise he would’ve been just like Joe!

I don’t agree that he would have felt guilt at all. They were friends and had an arrangement. This marriage was not about romantic love. DR even spoke publicly in an interview about being ok with MJ spending time with his ex-wife. She could care less what he did as long as he was happy.

If DR could have handled the press and attention, I could even see another surrogate being hired while MJ stayed married to DR. They could just do another “family” photoshoot with the new baby as an announcement and talk about expanding their family even though it was unsafe for DR to have anymore babies, but DR bailed.

This particular marriage is why I believe MJ was just not built to have your standard long term relationship. He let this front continue like it was something good for him.
 

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MJ has that habit and to be fair it must have made it so difficult for someone like her especially as she doesn’t have powerful links in Hollywood or a close relationship with his mother (at that time). He really shouldn’t have cut her off completely like that cause she loved him.
Plus she was really concerned about their safety when staying in Bahrain. He was not in touch with her at all as he was not in touch with his family and people she knew. And she knew that his health issues could not suddenly vanished all together plus the trial of course had to affect him in some way.
Bahrain for sure is not the place where there are many foreigners with Paris and Prince’s look walking around with their black nanny. They could have tight security but she didn’t know it and she may not had to trust them as she stated before that she didn’t trust MJ’s security during the trial. It’s clear to me the lady was hurting and was heartbroken by Michael.
 

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MJ has that habit and to be fair it must have made it so difficult for someone like her especially as she doesn’t have powerful links in Hollywood or a close relationship with his mother (at that time). He really shouldn’t have cut her off completely like that cause she loved him.
Plus she was really concerned about their safety when staying in Bahrain. He was not in touch with her at all as he was not in touch with his family and people she knew. And she knew that his health issues could not suddenly vanished all together plus the trial of course had to affect him in some way.
Bahrain for sure is not the place where there are many foreigners with Paris and Prince’s look walking around with their black nanny. They could have tight security but she didn’t know it and she may not had to trust them as he stated before that she didn’t trust MJ’s security during the trial. It’s clear to me the lady was hurting and was heartbroken by Michael.
I don’t agree that he would have felt guilt at all. They were friends and had an arrangement. This marriage was not about romantic love. DR even spoke publicly in an interview about being ok with MJ spending time with his ex-wife. She could care less what he did as long as he was happy.

If DR could have handled the press and attention, I could even see another surrogate being hired while MJ stayed married to DR. They could just do another “family” photoshoot with the new baby as an announcement and talk about expanding their family even though it was unsafe for DR to have anymore babies, but DR bailed.

This particular marriage is why I believe MJ was just not built to have your standard long term relationship. He let this front continue like it was something good for him.
He just was one of these great artists who needed wife totally dedicated to his artistry. There are some historical figures who were lucky to find that kind of partner. One of the latest is very successful modern music composer, late K. Penderecki. His very intelligent and attractive wife was so focused on his needs that I suspect that he and his career was more priority for her than their children.
 

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Plus she was really concerned about their safety when staying in Bahrain. He was not in touch with her at all as he was not in touch with his family and people she knew. And she knew that his health issues could not suddenly vanished all together plus the trial of course had to affect him in some way.
Bahrain for sure is not the place where there are many foreigners with Paris and Prince’s look walking around with their black nanny. They could have tight security but she didn’t know it and she may not had to trust them as he stated before that she didn’t trust MJ’s security during the trial. It’s clear to me the lady was hurting and was heartbroken by Michael.

He just was one of these great artists who needed wife totally dedicated to his artistry. There are some historical figures who were lucky to find that kind of partner. One of the latest is very successful modern music composer, late K. Penderecki. His very intelligent and attractive wife was so focused on his needs that I suspect that he and his career was more priority for her than their children.

Yes! It’s sad that when you actually look at what was going on when Debbie did something that some fans criticise her for, you see she was actually driven by love for him.
It is a shame that these two things (calling him a psycho and case for custody which actually wasn’t even about that) are held against her for life. This despite her role in the last 11 years in honouring his wishes and ensuring all his 3 kids get a stable upbringing.

I can never understand this need to trash her in all honesty let alone using Prince as a justification for the hate. She is the only one who is condemned for actually loving Mike! Insane!
 

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She knows the fans hate her. I’m frustrated by her and feel bad for her all at once. She was in love with him and he didn’t love her like that. She thought she had a permanent “in” and it didn’t work out. People do sh!tty things when they are hurt.

I remember some story from after MJ had been laid to rest and there were fans all at Forest Lawn and some car is parked or circling and no person will come
out. It was poor Debbie who was so upset about MJ’s passing and wanting to pay her respects but so scared to step out of the car because of how MJ’s fans would treat her.

It did my heart good to know that when she did finally came out of the car, his fans treated her with kindness. Gave her hugs and they all cried together. That deep deep pain is all over her face. I can’t hate her. Sorry. I can’t watch the body language from the BTS Oprah interview footage and not believe they were close friends. Sorry.

No need to apologise for your views and your feelings on this issue.

I, for one, agree with you.
 
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How can you look at this photo and not believe he was extremely comfortable with her and knew her well and liked her?

It’s all there in how close their bodies are, how genuine the smiles are and how joyful their eyes are. It might not have been a stereotypical romance but there was definitely a lot of love and intimacy there.
 

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How can you look at this photo and not believe he was extremely comfortable with her and knew her well and liked her?

It’s all there in how close their bodies are, how genuine the smiles are and how joyful their eyes are. It might not have been a stereotypical romance but there was definitely a lot of love and intimacy there.

Absolutely!
 

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So I see the same old tired ass broads replied to this thread when it opened.

When will you ever learn?

No one with any sense gives a flying saucer how you feel about Me. Rowe.

What vha bring ya ass in here for. . . Oh I know to spread foolery and confusion around.

Well apparently it didn't work.

So do yourself a favor and keep on drinking that Haterade because it obviously does wonders when Ms. Rowe and the rest of the world keep it rolling to quote my dude.

I won't be long but let me just say this: Wifey, Baby Mama and Homie, Lover, Friend. She had the man, the brass ring and got to travel all over the world with this man

DEAL WITH IT!

Alright I'm gonna go before I really start talking about their life together.

Good thread Forever Mike.
 

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So the two skitches who thumbed me down were too much of a wusdy to face me huh

That's okay.

You want the secret kept well hidden about how you TRULY feel about Ms. Rowe Jackson and I'm afraid I have to let the secret out that you . . .

R stone cold, hard core STANS for this lady. And I'm sure she appreciates the love you want everyone to think is hate you give.

But enough about dumb and dumber. Forever I got a question I want to ask:

You posted a pic of them with him wearing a red shirt and she a simple white dress and they both have their hands on her belly which appears to be swollen with child. Now I ask you did you notice how young they appeared to be as oppose to the other photo you posted which was clearly from 1996.

I'm just saying. . .

Perhaps that photo might be from the early nineties.

Hit me up in PM if you feel more comfortable from prying eyes.
 

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So the two skitches who thumbed me down were too much of a wusdy to face me huh

That's okay.

You want the secret kept well hidden about how you TRULY feel about Ms. Rowe Jackson and I'm afraid I have to let the secret out that you . . .

R stone cold, hard core STANS for this lady. And I'm sure she appreciates the love you want everyone to think is hate you give.

But enough about dumb and dumber. Forever I got a question I want to ask:

You posted a pic of them with him wearing a red shirt and she a simple white dress and they both have their hands on her belly which appears to be swollen with child. Now I ask you did you notice how young they appeared to be as oppose to the other photo you posted which was clearly from 1996.

I'm just saying. . .

Perhaps that photo might be from the early nineties.

Hit me up in PM if you feel more comfortable from prying eyes.

You sound crazy as fµck! get a life. Sticking up for Debbie for what?? That b!tch is crazy
 

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@SoUnique That was one of those photos I stumbled upon on social media that I had never seen before. I love how warm, happy and intimate it is. I have no doubt that MJ trusted Debbie and their friendship blossomed at some point. There is just no way in hell he would’ve had two kids ( minus the miscarriage) with her if he was ‘unsure’ about her. Period!
Whether they were intimate before he married her or if they fooled around before, I don’t know but won’t be surprised if they did.
 

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So why didn’t Debbie get a makeover after they got married? I mean, she’s coming out in public as MJ’s wife and everybody thought her blue jeans and oversized button down shirts was gonna be ok? Like people were gonna be thoroughly convinced they were an actual romantic couple?

It all would have been so much more believable if she got a new wardrobe, new hair, better make-up, manicure, etc. I mean, leveled up so she could stand beside MJ without the whole world snickering.

And if she really was in love with MJ, why did she think her lack of glamour and care about her personal appearance was gonna get her anywhere?

I don’t get why they didn’t do that.
 

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So 3 why didn’t Debbie get a makeover after they got married? I mean, she’s coming out in public as MJ’s wife and everybody thought her blue jeans and oversized button down shirts was gonna be ok? Like people were gonna be thoroughly convinced they were an actual romantic couple?

It all would have been so much more believable if she got a new wardrobe, new hair, better make-up, manicure, etc. I mean, leveled up so she could stand beside MJ without the whole world snickering.

And if she really was in love with MJ, why did she think her lack of glamour and care about her personal appearance was gonna get her anywhere?

I don’t get why they didn’t do that.

These are such excellent questions imo.

I had never thought about those things before and I hope @ForeverMike has a sensible hypothesis as is often the case (imo), it would be interesting to discuss.

I guess I'll say while I'm here that my guess of why is possibly bc of Debbie's personality may reflect her comfort zone and she may have felt it was a steep learning curve because she seems like one of those chicks you hear talk, who ''always hated wearing dresses and pearls'' or ''hosiery and heels'' - - that sort of thing unlike most of us who can easily adapt. Wasn't she adopted or something? Perhaps making her feel she had to "tough it" as a child perhaps?

Some people can only be one way and Debbie seems like that to me.

With MJ she likely was very outspoken about it in the beginning?

Seems to me it would have had to have come up very early on, being that MJ's career was obviously most important, and that (possibly) MJ knew that he'd have to compromise something major, if he wanted to have children with someone he trusted, without expecting to change her without a constant fight on his hands or forcing her to live uncomfortable.

Thoughts?

My question for Forever which brought me to open the thread is:

Do you have a guess as to why it is that Debbie called MJ a *****path?

I'm not saying anything about "holding it against her".

My question is what it is.

I could imagine that is why she gets so much resistence from many fans but MJ apparently forgave her.

What could she have been referring to...?...at the time, that made her say it? Being that I'm relatively new to the deets of anything about MJ's fascinating personal life everyone may know except me lol Does anyone know?

All I remember thinking when I saw it in the press is, I wonder what brought that on...and at such a critical time.
 

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@mauve1 my take on the questions raised about Debbie is that:
A) She is not fake and was never going to play pretend by doing stuff to please the media or public. She was dressed up when it was formal like the interviews she did then but that’s it.

Let’s not forget that Debbie went back to work while pregnant with Paris like any ‘normal’ working mum to be would. I respect this aspect of hers. She doesn’t pretend to be someone she isn’t.

B) I honestly don’t know why what she said like calling him a psychopath or whatever when she was trying to get on Snnedon’s team is more mentioned or remembered by fans but not the fantastic and powerful things she testified about him (as a man and father) under oath!

MJ had media outlets ready for his blood and No TV outlet was reporting any facts about the case. They had cameras visiting what was to be his ‘cell’ in prisons, people wanting his kids to be taken away etc it was absolutely horrific to watch. However, Debbie sat in front of that jury for almost an hour telling them how great MJ was and calling the whole case a witch-hunt etc. So why aren’t those words repeated by fans?

Finally, I am not an expert on Debbie but I cannot stand bs, double standards etc that is been constantly shoved down her throats by some fans.

She proved to be the best choice MJ made in having two beautiful kids with. She loves and respects him even in death and for this reason his kids got stability and support when they needed it most.

She is consistent with her love for him that even when others tried to get her to do their dirty work eg get her to claim the kids etc she didn’t sell out. She straight up says she didn’t raise those kids so all credit to their dad! Like Jnr she always brings back credit to MJ
 

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I hadn’t seen this one before! Looks like it’s from 80s?
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@SoUnique That was one of those photos I stumbled upon on social media that I had never seen before. I love how warm, happy and intimate it is. I have no doubt that MJ trusted Debbie and their friendship blossomed at some point. There is just no way in hell he would’ve had two kids ( minus the miscarriage) with her if he was ‘unsure’ about her. Period!
Whether they were intimate before he married her or if they fooled around before, I don’t know but won’t be surprised if they did.
Yes.

It's been well documented that Ms. Rowe Jackson and Mr. Jackson have had their fair share of fun together . . . before the babies. In fact that footage of her doing Beat It is testament to how they got down. Now the real question is why was she singing that song in the first place.

That song has some pretty hard words for just singing karaoke. It's almost as if she was trying to say something. . .
 

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Yes.

It's been well documented that Ms. Rowe Jackson and Mr. Jackson have had their fair share of fun together . . . before the babies. In fact that footage of her doing Beat It is testament to how they got down. Now the real question is why was she singing that song in the first place.

That song has some pretty hard words for just singing karaoke. It's almost as if she was trying to say something. . .
There footage of Debbie doing Beat It?! Where? I need to see this
 

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Ok I need to address a few things here and trust I don't want to sound like Ms. Rowe Jackson's mouth piece here but I think it needs to said about the type of role she played in this man's life.

SHE WAS WIFEY!!!

PERIOD. POINT BLANK!!!

I'm not here to speak to the simple b!tches (excuse my language but it need to be said cuz some of you are) because it's tiring and getting old that I have to explain that this woman was way more than what the rag hags keep spewing. She had those for him yes she did but she also gave him her heart and everything else inbetween. They were friends true but they also were lovers and extremely close. So close in fact that she was no longer married after that tour wrapped up.

Yeah that's right.

My dude was involved with a married woman and although she was married he played it cool until she was free to be get what I'm saying. I don't want to speak out of turn here but there are ALOT yall don't know about them and when I say yall I mean myself too but I do know she wax with him throughout 1993. There's footage of her sitting on his bed having a conversation with him and laughing that is until Okra's hatin ass decided she wanted in and Ms. Rowe Jackson was banished to the other side of the room. That same year she flew down to Mexico City to see him because he was asking for her and management had to make that call. She's the one who told him he had to go to rehab and get himself together. She also was the one who wad shacked up with him for almost a year in the Hideout to get im ready for the tour. Yall I'm talking about she cooked, cleaned and washed them draws for him and was with him for all of his doctor's appointments to which again he asked her to. Now who or what does that sound like? You doing all that for your friends?

I DON'T THINK SO!!!

Now ad I was saying she did that video because she wanted him to know he id her bogus by marrying some hillbilly princess after telling her that they were going to be together once he got better. Well folks he got better alright and lets just say there were frequent visits to her home. So doing Beat It was her way of saying don't you come around here no more cuz it's over. Don't take my word for it look up the transcripts from 2013 about the AEG case. Soo much info on how their life was together. Hell she was even on the of the Remember the Time video, got to meet David Bowie and Iman. She also was on the set of You Are Not Alone thanks to er buddy Tonya for spilling that interesting bit of tea. Of course she dipped out when miss Repressedly showed up but that's another story for another day. Anyway I'm about to wrap this up but I want to address this whole she called him a sociopath thing.

Where's the proof?

And before any one of you silly garden tools come up here with a edited rag piece I'm a tell you right now you can kick rocks with that BS. I want receipts that she herself ACTUALLY said it and if she did can we be sure she was referring to MJ. I mean damn she was married before which folks seem to forget and uh from what I heard it wasn't a very happy marriage to begin with so yeah she ould have easily been talking about Mr. Edelman and if anyone bothered to pay attention you'll notice she barely brings him up just like she doesn't speak about her mom. I'm just saying.

Now one more thing before I go, this ugly rumor about Jr. hating her guts. I find that a little harsh and hard to believe. So he doesn't show photos of them together getting lattes that doesn't mean they don't talk or communicate. I mean he does own a few Harleys and is in a gang that rides frequently. Well guess who else used to do that? In fact some of the folks in that gang look like they used to ride with Debbie from back in the day so who knows and not to mention I think one of those bikes of his just might belong to Momma and possibly Daddy cuz he liked o ride too. Also to mention he likes to work with his hands and woodwork or whatnot. Well guess what I found out, Momma also likes to work with her hands and when that fire broke out a few years ago that TMZ reported that's exactly what she was doing working on her friend's house before it blew up so there you have it. Why ould you want to do the same things of someone you supposedly have no contact with. Quiet as it's kept she was there with all three of her children when they did that tribute with Jaime Foxx hosting. She was sitting with both of her boys in the VIP section right across from grandma. And she was also at his graduation. You can't really see her fully but she was there when he posted a photo of everyone who was there. She's hugging him. There's another photo of Jr. and it's with Dad and his grandparents.

Debbie's real parents.

And guess what? They were both colored. So you know what that means right? I don't need to say it but um if ya try and look for this bad boy good luck cuz whoever posted it also took it down. I could take a guess and say it was Jr. but what the hell do I know?

Ok I think I've said enough but I want it to be understood that I m not an expert I just do my homework and pay attention oh and to all those who have or will call me some crazy delusional stan for Ms. Rowe Jackson I say this:

KISS MY GRITS.

I don't even stan for my dude and he'd be the only one I'd do that for so yeah I'm a wrap this up and just say that whatever happened between them there is no doubt in my mind that MJ loved this woman. As a friend. As a lover and as a homie.
 

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Debbie used MJ. She was a friend who became a surrogate. She didn’t care about him either. She knew what Klein and those other docs were doing to MJ yet she said nothing. I didn’t trust her then and I don’t now. The fact that Prince has no relationship with her says it all.
 

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Debbie used MJ. She was a friend who became a surrogate. She didn’t care about him either. She knew what Klein and those other docs were doing to MJ yet she said nothing. I didn’t trust her then and I don’t now. The fact that Prince has no relationship with her says it all.
What's wrong with @SoUnique writing novels this early morning, for him/her no to be a stan, sure is stanning for someone that he/ she claiming not stanning for. I bet he/she is a part or those people making love videos and making up love stories.
 

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Ok I need to address a few things here and trust I don't want to sound like Ms. Rowe Jackson's mouth piece here but I think it needs to said about the type of role she played in this man's life.

SHE WAS WIFEY!!!

PERIOD. POINT BLANK!!!

I'm not here to speak to the simple b!tches (excuse my language but it need to be said cuz some of you are) because it's tiring and getting old that I have to explain that this woman was way more than what the rag hags keep spewing. She had those for him yes she did but she also gave him her heart and everything else inbetween. They were friends true but they also were lovers and extremely close. So close in fact that she was no longer married after that tour wrapped up.

Yeah that's right.

My dude was involved with a married woman and although she was married he played it cool until she was free to be get what I'm saying. I don't want to speak out of turn here but there are ALOT yall don't know about them and when I say yall I mean myself too but I do know she wax with him throughout 1993. There's footage of her sitting on his bed having a conversation with him and laughing that is until Okra's hatin ass decided she wanted in and Ms. Rowe Jackson was banished to the other side of the room. That same year she flew down to Mexico City to see him because he was asking for her and management had to make that call. She's the one who told him he had to go to rehab and get himself together. She also was the one who wad shacked up with him for almost a year in the Hideout to get im ready for the tour. Yall I'm talking about she cooked, cleaned and washed them draws for him and was with him for all of his doctor's appointments to which again he asked her to. Now who or what does that sound like? You doing all that for your friends?

I DON'T THINK SO!!!

Now ad I was saying she did that video because she wanted him to know he id her bogus by marrying some hillbilly princess after telling her that they were going to be together once he got better. Well folks he got better alright and lets just say there were frequent visits to her home. So doing Beat It was her way of saying don't you come around here no more cuz it's over. Don't take my word for it look up the transcripts from 2013 about the AEG case. Soo much info on how their life was together. Hell she was even on the of the Remember the Time video, got to meet David Bowie and Iman. She also was on the set of You Are Not Alone thanks to er buddy Tonya for spilling that interesting bit of tea. Of course she dipped out when miss Repressedly showed up but that's another story for another day. Anyway I'm about to wrap this up but I want to address this whole she called him a sociopath thing.

Where's the proof?

And before any one of you silly garden tools come up here with a edited rag piece I'm a tell you right now you can kick rocks with that BS. I want receipts that she herself ACTUALLY said it and if she did can we be sure she was referring to MJ. I mean damn she was married before which folks seem to forget and uh from what I heard it wasn't a very happy marriage to begin with so yeah she ould have easily been talking about Mr. Edelman and if anyone bothered to pay attention you'll notice she barely brings him up just like she doesn't speak about her mom. I'm just saying.

Now one more thing before I go, this ugly rumor about Jr. hating her guts. I find that a little harsh and hard to believe. So he doesn't show photos of them together getting lattes that doesn't mean they don't talk or communicate. I mean he does own a few Harleys and is in a gang that rides frequently. Well guess who else used to do that? In fact some of the folks in that gang look like they used to ride with Debbie from back in the day so who knows and not to mention I think one of those bikes of his just might belong to Momma and possibly Daddy cuz he liked o ride too. Also to mention he likes to work with his hands and woodwork or whatnot. Well guess what I found out, Momma also likes to work with her hands and when that fire broke out a few years ago that TMZ reported that's exactly what she was doing working on her friend's house before it blew up so there you have it. Why ould you want to do the same things of someone you supposedly have no contact with. Quiet as it's kept she was there with all three of her children when they did that tribute with Jaime Foxx hosting. She was sitting with both of her boys in the VIP section right across from grandma. And she was also at his graduation. You can't really see her fully but she was there when he posted a photo of everyone who was there. She's hugging him. There's another photo of Jr. and it's with Dad and his grandparents.

Debbie's real parents.

And guess what? They were both colored. So you know what that means right? I don't need to say it but um if ya try and look for this bad boy good luck cuz whoever posted it also took it down. I could take a guess and say it was Jr. but what the hell do I know?

Ok I think I've said enough but I want it to be understood that I m not an expert I just do my homework and pay attention oh and to all those who have or will call me some crazy delusional stan for Ms. Rowe Jackson I say this:

KISS MY GRITS.

I don't even stan for my dude and he'd be the only one I'd do that for so yeah I'm a wrap this up and just say that whatever happened between them there is no doubt in my mind that MJ loved this woman. As a friend. As a lover and as a homie.
@SoUnique is you alright? You real mad for not to be a stan. You might be the type will deny that Debra said racist comments about black women, but go off.
 

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@SoUnique is you alright? You real mad for not to be a stan. You might be the type will deny that Debra said racist comments about black women, but go off.
Honey I'd be more concerned about your own sanity. Mine is just fine and uh hooked on phonics should be your friend. Have a nice day.
 

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You sound crazy as fµck! get a life. Sticking up for Debbie for what?? That b!tch is crazy
Writing novels this early morning. He/she is a real stan, calling us stans, we aren't the ones writing novels about a racists woman. Imma head out
 

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