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Response: The difference is that Islam accept Muhammad but rejected christianity.

So the christians in Europe developed the best society because islam rejected christianity, but accepted Muhammad. Well, that is most certainly an interesting theory about the Western World.
 

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This is what I have saying for years, but will our people listen, Hell NO! Sister I'm tired of trying to talk to these petty and trifling people on this site. I'm just going to keep it moving and continue to work with those who are truly about something and working for the empowerment of our people. May Allah bless you for trying to get through to all these knuckleheads. Salaam!
Will you allow your 8 year old daughter to marry a 50 year old muslim man?


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Will you allow your 8 year old daughter to marry a 50 year old muslim man?


Hope this helps

No I would not, and do not insult my intelligence by making such an assumption. I don't have any biological children, and I'm not saying Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha was right or wrong, I'm just saying it was the norm of 7th century Arabian culture and it still is the norm of many cultures today.

It is known that during Biblical times young girls were married at an early age and that age difference was not important in marriage. Moreover, this is not a matter just related to girls, boys were also married at ages 8, 9 and 10 and they matured earlier due to climatic and geographical conditions (King Tut was also married at 8 or 9 years old to his half-sister Ankhesenamun).

Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr, one of the Prophet's closest friends and devoted followers. He was one of the earliest converts to Islam and hoped to solidify the deep love that existed between him and the Prophet by uniting their families in marriage. It should be noted that the Prophet's marriage to Aisha was an exceedingly happy one for ALL parties involved.

Some time after the death of the Prophet’s first wife, Khadijah, Khawla suggested to the Prophet that he should get married again, to a "bikrun", referring to Aisha. In Arabic the word "bikrun" is used for an unmarried girl who has reached puberty. The word cannot be used for a 6 or 7-year-old girl. Neither has this ever been promoted as a Sunnah of the Prophet. The Prophet married off his daughters Fatima at 18 and Ruquiyya at 23. Besides, Abu Bakar, Aisha’s father, married off his eldest daughter Asma at the age of 26.

In Islam, it is unlawful to force any Muslimah (female Muslim) to marry someone that she does not want to marry. The evidence shows that Aisha's marriage to the Prophet Muhammad was one which all parties and their families agreed upon. Based on the culture at that time, no one saw anything wrong with it. On the contrary, they were all happy about it. None of the Muslim sources report that anyone from the society at that time objected to this marriage due to Aisha's young age. On the contrary, the marriage of Aisha to the Prophet was encouraged by Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, and was welcomed by the community at large.

In the comments of Abdul-Hamid Siddiqi on the hadith in Sahih Muslim (the most authentic hadith ever written) which mention Aisha's young marriage to the Prophet, shows three other reasons for this marriage:

1. Aisha's marriage to the Prophet at an early age allowed her to be an eyewitness to the personal details of his life and carry them on to the succeeding generations.

2. By being both spiritually and physically near to the Prophet, the marriage prepared Aisha to be an example to all Muslims, especially women, for all times. She developed into a spiritual teacher and scholar, since she was remarkably intelligent and wise.

3. Her qualities help support the Prophet's work and further the cause of Islam. She was not only a model for wives and mothers, but she was also a commentator on the Qur’an, an authority on hadith and knowledgeable in Islamic law. She narrated at least 2,210 teachings of the Prophet that give Muslims valuable insights into the final Prophet's daily life and behaviour, thus preserving the Sunnah of Muhammad.

At that time, this marriage refuted the belief that a man could not marry the daughter of a man who he had declared to be his "brother" (even in the religious sense). Since the Prophet and Abu Bakr had declared each other to be "brothers", this belief was done away with. This is demonstrated in the following hadith:

Narrated Ursa:
"The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said, "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in God's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

The marriage did away with the pagan Arab superstition that it was a bad omen to be married in the month of Shawwal. They thought that the month carried this omen since the word Shawwal was derived from Shaala, which means "bad omen." The hadith also indicate that the Prophet and Aisha were married in this lunar month.

The Quran emphasized that marriage should not be arranged for anyone (male or female) until they have reached puberty. However, reaching puberty should not be considered as the only criteria for marriage. Other factors such as the overall maturity of a person, and his or her ability to discern between what is good or bad, must also be taken into consideration.

The Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, also followed the norms of all of the Prophets of the Bible. For instance, in the book of Genesis it states:
"Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had born him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, ‘The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.’ Abram agreed to what Sarai said. So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. He slept with Hagar, and she conceived. … So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.” Genesis 16, verses 1–4, and 15–16, New International Version (NIV)

Firstly, it is evident that as Abraham was 86 years old, Hagar was between the ages of 13 to 16 when she became Abraham's wife (perhaps even younger, however she was not younger than what was the norm in Biblical times). Secondly, the Bible speaks of Sarai giving her maidservant Hagar to Abraham to be his wife, and they all agreed to that union.

Also, in the First book of Kings Chapter 1 Verses 1-4 (NIV) it reads as follows:
"When King David was old and well advanced in years, he could not keep warm even when they put covers over him. So his servants said to him, ‘Let us look for a young virgin to attend the king and take care of him. She can lie beside him so that our lord the king may keep warm.’ Then they searched throughout Israel for a beautiful girl and found Abishag, a Shunammite, and brought her to the king. The girl was very beautiful; she took care of the king and waited on him, but the king had no intimate relations with her."

So there seems nothing wrong, according to the Bible, in marrying a young girl, again one who has reached puberty and is mentally and physically balanced. At any rate, the Prophet's wedding to Aisha took place in accordance with Allah's will.
 

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Response: Muhammad married and have intercourse with one wife named Aisha. Simple answer to your question. Islam remains the best religion.

If you ever wondered why Kalashnikov is stuck on criticizing Islam so much I'll tell you why. It's because Kalashnikov dated a Muslim once, and the imams at the mosque in Russia made it clear that if the two of them were to marry, Kalashnikov would be expected to convert. Unfortunately, things didn't work out, so that's why Kalashnikov is on this "Poindexter-Broken-Heart-I'll-Get-Revenge" type thing they're on now.
 

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No I would not, and do not insult my intelligence by making such an assumption. I don't have any biological children, and I'm not saying Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha was right or wrong, I'm just saying it was the norm of 7th century Arabian culture and it still is the norm of many cultures today.

It is known that during Biblical times young girls were married at an early age and that age difference was not important in marriage. Moreover, this is not a matter just related to girls, boys were also married at ages 8, 9 and 10 and they matured earlier due to climatic and geographical conditions (King Tut was also married at 8 or 9 years old to his half-sister Ankhesenamun).

Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr, one of the Prophet's closest friends and devoted followers. He was one of the earliest converts to Islam and hoped to solidify the deep love that existed between him and the Prophet by uniting their families in marriage. It should be noted that the Prophet's marriage to Aisha was an exceedingly happy one for ALL parties involved.

Some time after the death of the Prophet’s first wife, Khadijah, Khawla suggested to the Prophet that he should get married again, to a "bikrun", referring to Aisha. In Arabic the word "bikrun" is used for an unmarried girl who has reached puberty. The word cannot be used for a 6 or 7-year-old girl. Neither has this ever been promoted as a Sunnah of the Prophet. The Prophet married off his daughters Fatima at 18 and Ruquiyya at 23. Besides, Abu Bakar, Aisha’s father, married off his eldest daughter Asma at the age of 26.

In Islam, it is unlawful to force any Muslimah (female Muslim) to marry someone that she does not want to marry. The evidence shows that Aisha's marriage to the Prophet Muhammad was one which all parties and their families agreed upon. Based on the culture at that time, no one saw anything wrong with it. On the contrary, they were all happy about it. None of the Muslim sources report that anyone from the society at that time objected to this marriage due to Aisha's young age. On the contrary, the marriage of Aisha to the Prophet was encouraged by Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, and was welcomed by the community at large.

In the comments of Abdul-Hamid Siddiqi on the hadith in Sahih Muslim (the most authentic hadith ever written) which mention Aisha's young marriage to the Prophet, shows three other reasons for this marriage:

1. Aisha's marriage to the Prophet at an early age allowed her to be an eyewitness to the personal details of his life and carry them on to the succeeding generations.

2. By being both spiritually and physically near to the Prophet, the marriage prepared Aisha to be an example to all Muslims, especially women, for all times. She developed into a spiritual teacher and scholar, since she was remarkably intelligent and wise.

3. Her qualities help support the Prophet's work and further the cause of Islam. She was not only a model for wives and mothers, but she was also a commentator on the Qur’an, an authority on hadith and knowledgeable in Islamic law. She narrated at least 2,210 teachings of the Prophet that give Muslims valuable insights into the final Prophet's daily life and behaviour, thus preserving the Sunnah of Muhammad.

At that time, this marriage refuted the belief that a man could not marry the daughter of a man who he had declared to be his "brother" (even in the religious sense). Since the Prophet and Abu Bakr had declared each other to be "brothers", this belief was done away with. This is demonstrated in the following hadith:

Narrated Ursa:
"The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said, "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in God's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

The marriage did away with the pagan Arab superstition that it was a bad omen to be married in the month of Shawwal. They thought that the month carried this omen since the word Shawwal was derived from Shaala, which means "bad omen." The hadith also indicate that the Prophet and Aisha were married in this lunar month.

The Quran emphasized that marriage should not be arranged for anyone (male or female) until they have reached puberty. However, reaching puberty should not be considered as the only criteria for marriage. Other factors such as the overall maturity of a person, and his or her ability to discern between what is good or bad, must also be taken into consideration.

The Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, also followed the norms of all of the Prophets of the Bible. For instance, in the book of Genesis it states:
"Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had born him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, ‘The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.’ Abram agreed to what Sarai said. So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. He slept with Hagar, and she conceived. … So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.” Genesis 16, verses 1–4, and 15–16, New International Version (NIV)

Firstly, it is evident that as Abraham was 86 years old, Hagar was between the ages of 13 to 16 when she became Abraham's wife (perhaps even younger, however she was not younger than what was the norm in Biblical times). Secondly, the Bible speaks of Sarai giving her maidservant Hagar to Abraham to be his wife, and they all agreed to that union.

Also, in the First book of Kings Chapter 1 Verses 1-4 (NIV) it reads as follows:
"When King David was old and well advanced in years, he could not keep warm even when they put covers over him. So his servants said to him, ‘Let us look for a young virgin to attend the king and take care of him. She can lie beside him so that our lord the king may keep warm.’ Then they searched throughout Israel for a beautiful girl and found Abishag, a Shunammite, and brought her to the king. The girl was very beautiful; she took care of the king and waited on him, but the king had no intimate relations with her."

So there seems nothing wrong, according to the Bible, in marrying a young girl, again one who has reached puberty and is mentally and physically balanced. At any rate, the Prophet's wedding to Aisha took place in accordance with Allah's will.
Stop with excuses
If it was the norm at the time, why none of his other wives or xes slaves were around Aisha's age?
In fact Muhammad was just a pervert who could not even respect what he was teaching
More he gained power, more he became pervert
Your religion only allows 4 wives but Muhammad wanted more simply because he could not control his xesual desires and suddenly Allah revealed that he could break the rule and marry over 4 women

I am glad that you admit that you will not allow your 8 year old daughter to marry a 50 year old muslim man
It means that your fake prophet is not a moral example for people in this century or any century

Hope this helps
 

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Stop with excuses
If it was the norm at the time, why none of his other wives or xes slaves were around Aisha's age?
In fact Muhammad was just a pervert who could not even respect what he was teaching
More he gained power, more he became pervert
Your religion only allows 4 wives but Muhammad wanted more simply because he could not control his xesual desires and suddenly Allah revealed that he could break the rule and marry over 4 women

I am glad that you admit that you will not allow your 8 year old daughter to marry a 50 year old muslim man
It means that your fake prophet is not a moral example for people in this century or any century

Hope this helps

I see we have another anti-Islam commentator on our hands that cannot comprehend very well. How can you be sure that Prophet Muhammad is a false prophet, a child molestor, etc? Have you ever lived in his time period to be making such conclusions? Or are you just like the rest of these Simple Simon hoes who think it's still comedy hour up in here???

If you look at the women whom Prophet Muhammad married, you will find that by every one of them an alliance was made for his people, or something was gained for his followers, or the woman was in sore need of protection.

At 25 years old, Muhammad entered into his first marriage with a 40 year old widow (Khadijah). He remained monogamous with her until her death 25 years later. During that first marriage, Muhammad began preaching Islam, he had 6 children (2 sons and 4 daughters) with his first wife. All except 1 of Prophet Muhammad's children would come from his 1st marriage.

After his first wife’s death, Muhammad, now age 50, began to marry his other wives. Most were widows, and of the latter wives, only 1 was a virgin at marriage, Aisha. Aisha was wedded to Prophet Muhammad during a time of heightened Muslim persecution in Mecca, and the marriage was suggested to strengthen the tie between Muhammad and Abu Bakr, an esteemed and capable companion who would eventually be elected to lead the Muslims after Muhammad's death. There were no birth certificates at the time of Prophet Muhammad's existence. Nevertheless, the consensus and cultural norms were the consummation of marriages occurred after puberty, much in line with cultural practices across the world at that time.

Also in the days of the Prophet Muhammad, the people who persecuted the Prophet Muhammad used various methods, strategies and "voodoo curses" to bring down the Prophet Muhammad. They seek opportunities to attack the Prophet Muhammad both verbally and physically. But they NEVER made the marriage of Prophet Muhammad and Aishah as a point or target of attack, cruelty and curse. Why? Because this was the norm of society and man back then!

History shows that women were married between the ages of 9 and 14 in Europe, Asia, Africa and America.

For example, 1. St. Augustine, a Christian priest, married girls aged 10 years.

2. King Richard II, a King of England and Lord of Ireland, married 7-year-old girls.

3. Henry VIII, King of England, married 6-year-old girls.

So, Aisha is actually old enough and mature (reached puberty) for marriage.

Lastly, despite having other wives after his first marriage, he only had a single child after his first wife’s death. The fact that he didn’t have children with the other wives including Aisha, indicates he wasn’t marrying for perverted reasons. If Prophet Muhammad and Aisha's marriage was so sinful, why did Muhammad give women equal rights in matters of divorce and child custody? Did you know that Prophet Muhammad was the first one in the Arabian peninsula to give women the right to vote in elections, at a time when voting laws in Arabia favored men, giving no rights to women.

You are operating on belief, while I am operating on facts. I also took some Islamic history classes in college so this is not something that I'm making up. Most of you are defending Christianity and bashing Muhammad's marriage to Aisha when Christianity, Islam, and Judaism ALL allowed marriage to young girls in that era. You don't even identify as Muslim therefore you really have no dog in his fight. You're clearly projecting a 21st century brain into the 7th century. This was a land of tribes and trade. Despite this, Aisha ended up being a trailblazer leading an male army on camelback in a extremely patriarchal society.

HOPE THIS HELPS (to use your words)...and I hope I don't have to repeat myself again in this thread.

Y'all have a problem with Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, but I bet y'all hoes don't have a problem leaving y'all children with a complete stranger while y'all go to "Big Tits & Ass Nite at Da Club" and act like you're not a mother.

But you wanna label Muhammad a pedophile...y'all need to sit your silly ass down somewhere. Or better yet get off the internet.
 

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I see we have another anti-Islam commentator on our hands that cannot comprehend very well. How can you be sure that Prophet Muhammad is a false prophet, a child molestor, etc? Have you ever lived in his time period to be making such conclusions? Or are you just like the rest of these Simple Simon hoes who think it's still comedy hour up in here???

If you look at the women whom Prophet Muhammad married, you will find that by every one of them an alliance was made for his people, or something was gained for his followers, or the woman was in sore need of protection.

At 25 years old, Muhammad entered into his first marriage with a 40 year old widow (Khadijah). He remained monogamous with her until her death 25 years later. During that first marriage, Muhammad began preaching Islam, he had 6 children (2 sons and 4 daughters) with his first wife. All except 1 of Prophet Muhammad's children would come from his 1st marriage.

After his first wife’s death, Muhammad, now age 50, began to marry his other wives. Most were widows, and of the latter wives, only 1 was a virgin at marriage, Aisha. Aisha was wedded to Prophet Muhammad during a time of heightened Muslim persecution in Mecca, and the marriage was suggested to strengthen the tie between Muhammad and Abu Bakr, an esteemed and capable companion who would eventually be elected to lead the Muslims after Muhammad's death. There were no birth certificates at the time of Prophet Muhammad's existence. Nevertheless, the consensus and cultural norms were the consummation of marriages occurred after puberty, much in line with cultural practices across the world at that time.

Also in the days of the Prophet Muhammad, the people who persecuted the Prophet Muhammad used various methods, strategies and "voodoo curses" to bring down the Prophet Muhammad. They seek opportunities to attack the Prophet Muhammad both verbally and physically. But they NEVER made the marriage of Prophet Muhammad and Aishah as a point or target of attack, cruelty and curse. Why? Because this was the norm of society and man back then!

History shows that women were married between the ages of 9 and 14 in Europe, Asia, Africa and America.

For example, 1. St. Augustine, a Christian priest, married girls aged 10 years.

2. King Richard II, a King of England and Lord of Ireland, married 7-year-old girls.

3. Henry VIII, King of England, married 6-year-old girls.

So, Aisha is actually old enough and mature (reached puberty) for marriage.

Lastly, despite having other wives after his first marriage, he only had a single child after his first wife’s death. The fact that he didn’t have children with the other wives including Aisha, indicates he wasn’t marrying for perverted reasons. If Prophet Muhammad and Aisha's marriage was so sinful, why did Muhammad give women equal rights in matters of divorce and child custody? Did you know that Prophet Muhammad was the first one in the Arabian peninsula to give women the right to vote in elections, at a time when voting laws in Arabia favored men, giving no rights to women.

You are operating on belief, while I am operating on facts. I also took some Islamic history classes in college so this is not something that I'm making up. Most of you are defending Christianity and bashing Muhammad's marriage to Aisha when Christianity, Islam, and Judaism ALL allowed marriage to young girls in that era. You don't even identify as Muslim therefore you really have no dog in his fight. You're clearly projecting a 21st century brain into the 7th century. This was a land of tribes and trade. Despite this, Aisha ended up being a trailblazer leading an male army on camelback in a extremely patriarchal society.

HOPE THIS HELPS (to use your words)...and I hope I don't have to repeat myself again in this thread.

Y'all have a problem with Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, but I bet y'all hoes don't have a problem leaving y'all children with a complete stranger while y'all go to "Big Tits & Ass Nite at Da Club" and act like you're not a mother.

But you wanna label Muhammad a pedophile...y'all need to sit your silly ass down somewhere. Or better yet get off the internet.
So i am islamophob because i pointed that your fake prophet slept with a 9 year old girl?
If it was common practice during his time, why none of his wives were around Aisha's age?
He was simply a disgusting man who lusted after a 6 year old girl, and also lusted after his adopted son's wife

None of the people that you mentionened claimed to be perfect human being
It is funny that you defend your fake prophet by comparing him normal human beings who were sinners
It just means that your fake prophet was/is also a sinner
How can your fake prophet be the most perfect human being and a universal role model for manking when he slept with a 9 year old girl and had multiple xes slaves?

You admitted that you will not allow your 8 year old daughter to marry a 50 year old man because you know it is wrong
It just means that you deep down know that your fake prophet is not a moral example in this century

Muhammad is more of a Cult leader than a Prophet


Hope this helps
 

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You really think you're teaching me something up in here huh? And typing the words "Hope this helps" at the end of every comment to me, as if to prove you're somehow more knowledgeable than me. If you really want me to convince me that you're a wise individual, I strongly advise you to retrace your movements before I go completely raw on your ass...cause you making moves like playing checkers.....but this is chess Sister.

You just proved my point...you're R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D. I don't say that with any maliciousness, or mean spiritedness; it's simply an observation lol. Trying to immerse yourself with Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha and discredit him, and draw such attention to me and still come across dumb as fµck. A person like you is hard to teach because they have phlegm and semen on the brain. Oh well, I guess if you can't defeat the message all that's left is a desperate attempt at discrediting the messenger right?

You need not pick a fight that you are not prepared for. The nature of your comments speak for themselves.

HOPE THIS HELPS...LOL
I am not ********
You are the onr because you don't want to admit that your fake prophet aka cult leader did something wrong by having xes with a 9 year old girl
I don't even want to talk about how he sucked little boys's tongues, how he lusted after his adopted son's wife and wanted to have xes with
I don't even want to talk about how he was constantly covered on his semen

Your fake prophet was a disgusting human being who profited from his status and ignorance of people to have xes with a little girl and rape his multiple xes slaves because he could not control his xesual desires

Poor Aisha he destroyed her and that is why she probably could not have kids

Due to Muhammad's disgusting behavior little girls who are not even 12 are married to old muslim men


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Listen RE-TARD, I'm calling you a RE-TARD because the more you post in this thread, the more it shows your fault lines. You need to try Jesus (or whatever God you serve) before trying me. You are like a person coming to a street fight using cotton candy instead of using your fists.

You come in this thread with diarrhea of the mouth, borrowing something from the Whiteman's social media pages who always puts their own labels on Islam anyway, and assume that is a sign that you can challenge me (a person who has studied Islam since my childhood) when a SMART PERSON would consult an imam that is better qualified to help them, and do a thorough investigation to see if the information they're borrowing from social media has any truth to it.

Listen RE-TARD, if the marriage between Aisha and Prophet Muhammad was so wrong, then why didn't Aisha's mother object to the marriage? Instead she actually gave Aisha for marriage, and prepared her for marriage.

Listen RE-TARD, if the marriage was so wrong, why didn't Abu Bakr the father of Aisha object to the marriage? If it was so wrong you would expect the father to have not allowed such a marriage to take place.

Listen RE-TARD, if the marriage was so wrong, why did the women who were present with Aisha when she was about to be given to the Prophet for marriage wished her luck and were happy for her? If the marriage was wrong, the women present would have been sad, and they would not have been happy for Aisha, obviously they had no problems with the marriage whatsoever.

Listen RE-TARD, if the marriage was so wrong, are we supposed to assume that Abu Bakr, and Aisha's mother, and the women present with Aisha are all pedophiles and child molesters? Indeed such a conclusion would be ignorant.

Listen RE-TARD, if the marriage was so wrong, why is there not a single hadith from Aisha herself being displeased of the marriage? If Aisha was indeed an oppressed young girl/woman, then why did she love the Prophet so much, and would sometimes get jealous around him so much, does this sound like a victim?

All these points that I've shared here are more than enough to refute your entire position, and some of you know this, but insist on having selective understanding (aka playing RE-TARDED). You wanna act like a good person trying to be helpful, when in all honesty you just another ignorant font using this thread for your entertainment purposes, after I told your RE-TARDED ass several times that Prophet Muhammad and Aisha's marriage was a 100% legal marriage according to the customs set in place during that time. Forget what Reverend Hog Head Cheese and Deacon Chitterling is teaching you, facts are facts!

Yet if we look at the modern world, we are a disgrace, and the past is much better than us. You have men marrying each other, you have women marrying each other, you have women treating abortion like it's no different from popping a pimple, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. And people like you support them in all their foolishness. But something that I do find interesting is most of the bad things occurring in our modern world is a result of western Christian influenced societies, that says it all.

I have to get ready for a business meeting tomorrow but in the meantime...take these 2 towels out of my hands and wipe the sh!t crumbs from your lips and take a bath...you smell so terrible you're causing all of LSA to take out life insurance...LOL
look at the nonsense that you wrote just to defend your pedo prophet
so you are telling me because Aisha's parents were ok with that, it means it was OK for your over 50 year old pedo prophet to marry a 6 year old and and he raped her when she was just 9
in order to defend your pedo prophet aka the most disgusting man that ever lived you need to be a pedo apologist

it is very sad


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Listen RE-TARD, all the information presented, should more than suffice that Aisha was indeed a mature person who married Prophet Muhammad of her own free will. Prophet Muhammad was neither a cult leader or a pedophile, if he is then I suggest the definition of the word "pedophile" need to change.

The average life expectancy in the 7th century Arabia was 25 or 30. Children, the ones who survived, were expected to grow up faster, with the expectation of carrying on the family legacy. Therefore, getting married at a young age was common. In 20th century America women often got married young. I had a great-aunt who was married at 16. Best aunt ever.

Listen RE-TARD, If you or anyone else wants to call Prophet Muhammad a pedophile or womanizer for marrying his best friend's daughter with BOTH of her parents consent, God said nothing against it, because for the time, there was NOTHING wrong with it. And as far as Aisha not having children, perhaps she didn't want any, have you ever thought about that?

Listen RE-TARD, you want to dig up what a Mesenger of Allah did 1400 years ago in order to judge him, talk about this verse from the Bible (King James Version):

Deuteronomy Chapter 22 Verse 13-18
13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,

14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:

15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:

16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;

17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. (meaning the father would literally stick his two fingers covered with a piece of cloth into his daughter's vagina before she gets married and keep that bloody cloth for as long as his daughter is married)

18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him.

Whenever this Bible verse is brought up, or the fact that Joseph the father of Jesus was 90 years old when he impregnated 13 year old Mary, you Simple Simon Christians avoid the subject, yet you want to accuse the Muslims of justifying pedophilia?

B*TCH PLEASE!!!!
So at 6 she was already mature?
It is the excuse that pedo use
All this mental gymnastic to defend your pedo prophet aka the most disgusting human being thatvever lived
Poor Aisha your pedo prophet destroyed her
He was not only a child molester but also a rapist and woman beater
He raped all his xes slaves
He also sucked the tongues of little boys


He was truly disgusting


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Listen RE-TARD, you want to dig up what a Mesenger of Allah did 1400 years ago in order to judge him, talk about this verse from the Bible (King James Version):

Deuteronomy Chapter 22 Verse 13-18
13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,

14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:

15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:

16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;

17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. (meaning the father would literally stick his two fingers covered with a piece of cloth into his daughter's vagina before she gets married and keep that bloody cloth for as long as his daughter is married)

18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him.

Whenever this Bible verse is brought up, or the fact that Joseph the father of Jesus was 90 years old when he impregnated 13 year old Mary, you Simple Simon Christians avoid the subject, yet you want to accuse the Muslims of justifying pedophilia?
I don't know you keep talking about the bible in this thread
Did i tell you that i am christian?

If you want to talk about christianity, please create a thread about it

When muslims have no answers to defend their fake prophet, they begin to talk about the bible to change the subject
That little trick doesn't work against me

This thread is about your pedo prophet who molested a 9 year old girl

So stay on the topic



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This is what happens when people are ignorant of history and social customs.

Firstly, the Prophet's marriage to Aisha (ra) was a revelation from Allah, Aisha was shown to the Prophet twice in his dreams, a man was carrying her on silken cloth and said to the Prophet, 'This is your wife.' The Prophet said, 'If this dream is from Allah, He will cause it to come true.' In all pre-modern traditional cultures, it was not abnormal for girls to consummate marriages between the ages of 10 and 12 and that was perfectly acceptable back then. Muhammad's (ﷺ) worst enemies would slander him with the worst accusations imaginable, they called him a "magician", a "sorcerer", a "mad man", but they never slandered him because he married Aisha at a young age since was the norm of their time. Neither the Jews or the Christians of his time found any issue with the Prophet Muhammad's (ﷺ) marriage to Aisha. Today we find that shocking, but the pre-modern people lived in a very different time period. In the history of the world, there’s never been a universally agreed upon minimum age for marriage. Every religion, civilization, history, and country has its own minimums. So what’s the perfect age for marriage? Depends on who you ask! Some say minimum age of marriage should be 18 for both boys and girls. Some say 16, and some even say 14 or 12. The age of marriage, throughout history, before the 19th century was very low. Some cultures, including Britain, allowed girls as young as 7 to be married legally (see "William Blackstone's Commentaries on the English Law" published 1867, page. 110). Most of Africa, Asia, Europe and the rest of the world married off their children as soon as they reached the age of puberty. Please see the following link: Age of Consent in European & American History – Discover The Truth (discover-the-truth.com)

When does a child reach the age of puberty? See the following link: Stages of puberty: what happens to boys and girls - NHS (www.nhs.uk)

As you can see in the NHS link above that a child can reach puberty (adulthood) between the age of 8 to 14. So, historically speaking, in pre-modern societies as soon as children showed signs of adulthood they were married. Modern standards of liberal/secular "morality/ethics" can not be applied on pre-modern societies. That would render every single human a pedophile. Some cultures in Africa and Asia follow the old system to this day. If we judged all humans (who lived before the 19th century) by our standards today then that would render all of them morally redundant. Applying modern standards to pre-modern societies is called anachronism (see link): ANACHRONISM | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

In conclusion, those who condemn Muhammad (ﷺ), a man alive in the 7th century Arabia, for doing something normal (i.e. getting married to an adult), even by the standards of the 19th century are in fact guilty of condemning the rest of humanity for doing the same thing.

Finally, there can only be two reasons for people to "criticize" the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) for this:

1. Ignorance of human history or 2. Blind irrational hatred. Most Islamophobias have both these qualities. They are both ignorant and blind haters. Do the Muslims today have to get married that young? The answer is no. Times have changed, thinking has changed, people have changed. Most Muslims do not get their children married that young because they live in different times. Besides, it has become illegal in most countries to do so and Muslims are mostly law abiding citizens. It is not a religious obligation in Islam to get married as soon as one hits the age of puberty. The main condition of marriage being consummated in Islam is physical maturity and even that is contingent upon the legal systems of the countries they reside in, also Islam teaches that there should be no harm in such a marriage whether it's physical or mental. Did the Prophet do anything wrong by marrying Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her)? Absolutely not, as he did what the rest of humanity considered normal practice in that day and age.

All Islam-haters or Islamophobes must be ready to either condemn their ancestors as pedophiles or be ready to remain silent on this matter. They should get a life, this charge is not working. Most Orientalists or western scholars (such as Ockley, Gibbon, Noldeke, Goldziher and Muir), who wrote on the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) before the 20th century, did not criticize him on this matter. They found other reasons to attack the Prophet but NEVER did they use the age of Aisha as a point of contention. This was due to their own indulgence in the same practice i.e. marrying their daughters off young. Pre-modern societies did not see marrying off their daughters young as pedophilia. They divided children and adults by determining the age of puberty. To them, anyone who had reached the age of puberty was not a child anymore: Child | Definition of Child by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Child

Lastly, Aisha was very happy with the marriage and loved her husband greatly and would always defend him, if she didn't find anything wrong with the marriage then I guess it's better if you shut up and get a life. Aisha is the most influential women in Muslim history. She has a high status in Islam. She was an intelligent women with a great memory. She memorized the Quran, she knew medicine, poetry and Islamic matters. When the companions of the Prophet didn't know an Islamic ruling on an Issue, they would always ask Aisha for the ruling and she always knew it. She was the top primary narrator of Hadith. She loved her husband and would always defend him. Her relationship with the Prophet was a beautiful one.



This thread is inspired by a thread about Mary's virginity, here: Was the Virgin Mary really a virgin?

I asked the OP of the thread @dkhalifa who is a Muslim a question about Muhammad and she refused to answer so I figured I'd start another thread.

Was Muhammad thighing A'isha until they finally consummate @ age 9? According to Sahid al-Bukhari he did. If so, how do you feel about it?


Thighing:



EDITED: Here is one of the Hadith



This happened in Mecca and A'isha didn't turn 9 until Medina!
Where's the reference that the Prophet (ﷺ) use to thigh Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) before the age of 9? Show me a Sahih Hadith that states that, if you don't then you're a liar. That Hadith that you just posted only states that she cleaned the Prophet's clothes, it doesn't mention how old she is and it doesn't mention anything about "thighing", and Aisha didn't live with live with the Prophet until 9 so you're just making sh!t up.
 
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This is what happens when people are ignorant of history and social customs.

Firstly, the Prophet's marriage to Aisha (ra) was a revelation from Allah, Aisha was shown to the Prophet twice in his dreams, a man was carrying her on silken cloth and said to the Prophet, 'This is your wife.' The Prophet said, 'If this dream is from Allah, He will cause it to come true.' In all pre-modern traditional cultures, it was not abnormal for girls to consummate marriages between the ages of 10 and 12 and that was perfectly acceptable back then. Muhammad's (ﷺ) worst enemies would slander him with the worst accusations imaginable, they called him a "magician", a "sorcerer", a "mad man", but they never slandered him because he married Aisha at a young age since was the norm of their time. Neither the Jews or the Christians of his time found any issue with the Prophet Muhammad's (ﷺ) marriage to Aisha. Today we find that shocking, but the pre-modern people lived in a very different time period. In the history of the world, there’s never been a universally agreed upon minimum age for marriage. Every religion, civilization, history, and country has its own minimums. So what’s the perfect age for marriage? Depends on who you ask! Some say minimum age of marriage should be 18 for both boys and girls. Some say 16, and some even say 14 or 12. The age of marriage, throughout history, before the 19th century was very low. Some cultures, including Britain, allowed girls as young as 7 to be married legally (see "William Blackstone's Commentaries on the English Law" published 1867, page. 110). Most of Africa, Asia, Europe and the rest of the world married off their children as soon as they reached the age of puberty. Please see the following link: Age of Consent in European & American History – Discover The Truth (discover-the-truth.com)

When does a child reach the age of puberty? See the following link: Stages of puberty: what happens to boys and girls - NHS (www.nhs.uk)

As you can see in the NHS link above that a child can reach puberty (adulthood) between the age of 8 to 14. So, historically speaking, in pre-modern societies as soon as children showed signs of adulthood they were married. Modern standards of liberal/secular "morality/ethics" can not be applied on pre-modern societies. That would render every single human a pedophile. Some cultures in Africa and Asia follow the old system to this day. If we judged all humans (who lived before the 19th century) by our standards today then that would render all of them morally redundant. Applying modern standards to pre-modern societies is called anachronism (see link): ANACHRONISM | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

In conclusion, those who condemn Muhammad (ﷺ), a man alive in the 7th century Arabia, for doing something normal (i.e. getting married to an adult), even by the standards of the 19th century are in fact guilty of condemning the rest of humanity for doing the same thing.

Finally, there can only be two reasons for people to "criticize" the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) for this:

1. Ignorance of human history or 2. Blind irrational hatred. Most Islamophobias have both these qualities. They are both ignorant and blind haters. Do the Muslims today have to get married that young? The answer is no. Times have changed, thinking has changed, people have changed. Most Muslims do not get their children married that young because they live in different times. Besides, it has become illegal in most countries to do so and Muslims are mostly law abiding citizens. It is not a religious obligation in Islam to get married as soon as one hits the age of puberty. The main condition of marriage being consummated in Islam is physical maturity and even that is contingent upon the legal systems of the countries they reside in, also Islam teaches that there should be no harm in such a marriage whether it's physical or mental. Did the Prophet do anything wrong by marrying Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her)? Absolutely not, as he did what the rest of humanity considered normal practice in that day and age.

All Islam-haters or Islamophobes must be ready to either condemn their ancestors as pedophiles or be ready to remain silent on this matter. They should get a life, this charge is not working. Most Orientalists or western scholars (such as Ockley, Gibbon, Noldeke, Goldziher and Muir), who wrote on the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) before the 20th century, did not criticize him on this matter. They found other reasons to attack the Prophet but NEVER did they use the age of Aisha as a point of contention. This was due to their own indulgence in the same practice i.e. marrying their daughters off young. Pre-modern societies did not see marrying off their daughters young as pedophilia. They divided children and adults by determining the age of puberty. To them, anyone who had reached the age of puberty was not a child anymore: Child | Definition of Child by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Child

Lastly, Aisha was very happy with the marriage and loved her husband greatly and would always defend him, if she didn't find anything wrong with the marriage then I guess it's better if you shut up and get a life. Aisha is the most influential women in Muslim history. She has a high status in Islam. She was an intelligent women with a great memory. She memorized the Quran, she knew medicine, poetry and Islamic matters. When the companions of the Prophet didn't know an Islamic ruling on an Issue, they would always ask Aisha for the ruling and she always knew it. She was the top primary narrator of Hadith. She loved her husband and would always defend him. Her relationship with the Prophet was a beautiful one.




Where's the reference that the Prophet (ﷺ) use to thigh Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) before the age of 9? Show me a Sahih Hadith that states that, if you don't then you're a liar. That Hadith that you just posted only states that she cleaned the Prophet's clothes, it doesn't mention how old she is and it doesn't mention anything about "thighing", and Aisha didn't live with live with the Prophet until 9 so you're just making sh!t up.


I totally agree with you, it amazes me how these fools are still trying to bait me and anyone that doesn't share their viewpoints into an argument. They dislike Prophet Muhammad so much, yet they refuse to leave him alone.

These fools even go so far so label me misogynistic, because I defend Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha. Yet y'all same fools defend Bill Cosby's old raggedy ass, and call the women he drugged and raped a bunch of liars. How is y'all defense any better than mine? How is it that y'all can call Bill Cosby's victims liars, accuse them of wanting their 15 minutes of fame, but when I say Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha was 100% legal according to the laws and customs set in place at the time, I got a problem???

I'm too misogynistic for y'all, yet y'all defend Bill Cosby, and Bill Cosby was accused of drugging and/or raping over 50 women (we're not talking one, or two, or three but OVER 4 DOZEN WOMEN here), including Beverly Johnson, who was one of the first Black supermodels to grace the cover of Essence magazine!!! Bill Cosby is the same person who admitted UNDER OATH to giving women qualludes (date rape drugs), this is the same man who ripped Black people on National Television for poor parenting and abusing women, and he did the same thing (abused women). This is the same man who Lisa Bonet...aka Denise Huxtable...claimed to have problems with on the set of "The Cosby Show." He's still considered "good-natured people" and an "elder" in y'all eyes, but Prophet Muhammad is not, and he's only accused of marrying ONE girl at a young age??? I don't advocate ANY type of xesual abuse. All you fools have is information on Prophet Muhammad that is not true.

I wish you fools would stay out of the category of rats, and rodents, and roaches!!!
 

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This is what happens when people are ignorant of history and social customs.

Firstly, the Prophet's marriage to Aisha (ra) was a revelation from Allah, Aisha was shown to the Prophet twice in his dreams, a man was carrying her on silken cloth and said to the Prophet, 'This is your wife.' The Prophet said, 'If this dream is from Allah, He will cause it to come true.' In all pre-modern traditional cultures, it was not abnormal for girls to consummate marriages between the ages of 10 and 12 and that was perfectly acceptable back then. Muhammad's (ﷺ) worst enemies would slander him with the worst accusations imaginable, they called him a "magician", a "sorcerer", a "mad man", but they never slandered him because he married Aisha at a young age since was the norm of their time. Neither the Jews or the Christians of his time found any issue with the Prophet Muhammad's (ﷺ) marriage to Aisha. Today we find that shocking, but the pre-modern people lived in a very different time period. In the history of the world, there’s never been a universally agreed upon minimum age for marriage. Every religion, civilization, history, and country has its own minimums. So what’s the perfect age for marriage? Depends on who you ask! Some say minimum age of marriage should be 18 for both boys and girls. Some say 16, and some even say 14 or 12. The age of marriage, throughout history, before the 19th century was very low. Some cultures, including Britain, allowed girls as young as 7 to be married legally (see "William Blackstone's Commentaries on the English Law" published 1867, page. 110). Most of Africa, Asia, Europe and the rest of the world married off their children as soon as they reached the age of puberty. Please see the following link: Age of Consent in European & American History – Discover The Truth (discover-the-truth.com)

When does a child reach the age of puberty? See the following link: Stages of puberty: what happens to boys and girls - NHS (www.nhs.uk)

As you can see in the NHS link above that a child can reach puberty (adulthood) between the age of 8 to 14. So, historically speaking, in pre-modern societies as soon as children showed signs of adulthood they were married. Modern standards of liberal/secular "morality/ethics" can not be applied on pre-modern societies. That would render every single human a pedophile. Some cultures in Africa and Asia follow the old system to this day. If we judged all humans (who lived before the 19th century) by our standards today then that would render all of them morally redundant. Applying modern standards to pre-modern societies is called anachronism (see link): ANACHRONISM | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

In conclusion, those who condemn Muhammad (ﷺ), a man alive in the 7th century Arabia, for doing something normal (i.e. getting married to an adult), even by the standards of the 19th century are in fact guilty of condemning the rest of humanity for doing the same thing.

Finally, there can only be two reasons for people to "criticize" the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) for this:

1. Ignorance of human history or 2. Blind irrational hatred. Most Islamophobias have both these qualities. They are both ignorant and blind haters. Do the Muslims today have to get married that young? The answer is no. Times have changed, thinking has changed, people have changed. Most Muslims do not get their children married that young because they live in different times. Besides, it has become illegal in most countries to do so and Muslims are mostly law abiding citizens. It is not a religious obligation in Islam to get married as soon as one hits the age of puberty. The main condition of marriage being consummated in Islam is physical maturity and even that is contingent upon the legal systems of the countries they reside in, also Islam teaches that there should be no harm in such a marriage whether it's physical or mental. Did the Prophet do anything wrong by marrying Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her)? Absolutely not, as he did what the rest of humanity considered normal practice in that day and age.

All Islam-haters or Islamophobes must be ready to either condemn their ancestors as pedophiles or be ready to remain silent on this matter. They should get a life, this charge is not working. Most Orientalists or western scholars (such as Ockley, Gibbon, Noldeke, Goldziher and Muir), who wrote on the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) before the 20th century, did not criticize him on this matter. They found other reasons to attack the Prophet but NEVER did they use the age of Aisha as a point of contention. This was due to their own indulgence in the same practice i.e. marrying their daughters off young. Pre-modern societies did not see marrying off their daughters young as pedophilia. They divided children and adults by determining the age of puberty. To them, anyone who had reached the age of puberty was not a child anymore: Child | Definition of Child by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Child

Lastly, Aisha was very happy with the marriage and loved her husband greatly and would always defend him, if she didn't find anything wrong with the marriage then I guess it's better if you shut up and get a life. Aisha is the most influential women in Muslim history. She has a high status in Islam. She was an intelligent women with a great memory. She memorized the Quran, she knew medicine, poetry and Islamic matters. When the companions of the Prophet didn't know an Islamic ruling on an Issue, they would always ask Aisha for the ruling and she always knew it. She was the top primary narrator of Hadith. She loved her husband and would always defend him. Her relationship with the Prophet was a beautiful one.




Where's the reference that the Prophet (ﷺ) use to thigh Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) before the age of 9? Show me a Sahih Hadith that states that, if you don't then you're a liar. That Hadith that you just posted only states that she cleaned the Prophet's clothes, it doesn't mention how old she is and it doesn't mention anything about "thighing", and Aisha didn't live with live with the Prophet until 9 so you're just making sh!t up.

you wrote all these nonsenses to defend the disgusting behavior of your cult leader
if for you it is ok when a 50 year old man sleeps with a 9 year old girl

will you allow your 8 or 9 year old daughter to marry a 50 year old muslim man?



nothing you will ever say will justify the disgusting behavior of your cult leader aka Muhammad the most disgusting human being that ever lived



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I totally agree with you, it amazes me how these fools are still trying to bait me and anyone that doesn't share their viewpoints into an argument. They dislike Prophet Muhammad so much, yet they refuse to leave him alone.

These fools even go so far so label me misogynistic, because I defend Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha. Yet y'all same fools defend Bill Cosby's old raggedy ass, and call the women he drugged and raped a bunch of liars. How is y'all defense any better than mine? How is it that y'all can call Bill Cosby's victims liars, accuse them of wanting their 15 minutes of fame, but when I say Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha was 100% legal according to the laws and customs set in place at the time, I got a problem???

I'm too misogynistic for y'all, yet y'all defend Bill Cosby, and Bill Cosby was accused of drugging and/or raping over 50 women (we're not talking one, or two, or three but OVER 4 DOZEN WOMEN here), including Beverly Johnson, who was one of the first Black supermodels to grace the cover of Essence magazine!!! Bill Cosby is the same person who admitted UNDER OATH to giving women qualludes (date rape drugs), this is the same man who ripped Black people on National Television for poor parenting and abusing women, and he did the same thing (abused women). This is the same man who Lisa Bonet...aka Denise Huxtable...claimed to have problems with on the set of "The Cosby Show." He's still considered "good-natured people" and an "elder" in y'all eyes, but Prophet Muhammad is not, and he's only accused of marrying ONE girl at a young age??? I don't advocate ANY type of xesual abuse. All you fools have is information on Prophet Muhammad that is not true.

I wish you fools would stay out of the category of rats, and rodents, and roaches!!!
it is very sad that in order to defend your pedo prophet, you need to talk about infidels (we all know how muslims hate non muslims)
i thought that infidels were the lowest of creatures?
why are you talking about infidels in order to defend your pedo prophet?

Prophet Muhammad aka the man who destroyed a little girl named Aisha


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I totally agree with you, it amazes me how these fools are still trying to bait me and anyone that doesn't share their viewpoints into an argument. They dislike Prophet Muhammad so much, yet they refuse to leave him alone.

These fools even go so far so label me misogynistic, because I defend Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha. Yet y'all same fools defend Bill Cosby's old raggedy ass, and call the women he drugged and raped a bunch of liars. How is y'all defense any better than mine? How is it that y'all can call Bill Cosby's victims liars, accuse them of wanting their 15 minutes of fame, but when I say Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha was 100% legal according to the laws and customs set in place at the time, I got a problem???

I'm too misogynistic for y'all, yet y'all defend Bill Cosby, and Bill Cosby was accused of drugging and/or raping over 50 women (we're not talking one, or two, or three but OVER 4 DOZEN WOMEN here), including Beverly Johnson, who was one of the first Black supermodels to grace the cover of Essence magazine!!! Bill Cosby is the same person who admitted UNDER OATH to giving women qualludes (date rape drugs), this is the same man who ripped Black people on National Television for poor parenting and abusing women, and he did the same thing (abused women). This is the same man who Lisa Bonet...aka Denise Huxtable...claimed to have problems with on the set of "The Cosby Show." He's still considered "good-natured people" and an "elder" in y'all eyes, but Prophet Muhammad is not, and he's only accused of marrying ONE girl at a young age??? I don't advocate ANY type of xesual abuse. All you fools have is information on Prophet Muhammad that is not true.

I wish you fools would stay out of the category of rats, and rodents, and roaches!!!
I wish I could like this comment. Islamophobes are like rats and crock roaches, there's too many and they're nothing but ignorant haters with no leg to stand upon. Literally, all their allegations and claims against Islam have been refuted by Muslims but they keep bringing up the same refuted arguments over and over again. Their allegations and criticisms against Islam is mostly lies, Ignorance, distortions taken out of context or inconsistency. They copy and paste BS from Anti Islamic websites and act as if they are experts in Islam, I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for these miserable idiots, I mostly ignore them. As for the Prophet (ﷺ), we Muslims should be mindful that Allah, the lord of the Heavens and the Earth has honored him, Billions of Muslims around the world praise him and follow him, Muhammad (ﷺ) has been named in Michael Heart's book as the most influential man! what miserable Islamophobes say about the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) is irrelevant.

"Surely the disbelievers spend their wealth to hinder others from the Path of Allah. They will continue to spend to the point of regret. Then they will be defeated and the disbelievers will be driven into Hell." (Quran 8:36)

"Indeed, We are sufficient for you against the mockers." (Quran 15:95)

"It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it." (Quran 9:33)

"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to perish." (Quran 17:81)

"Indeed, We have granted you (O Prophet) abundant goodness. So pray and sacrifice to your Lord ˹alone˺. Only the one who hates you is truly cut off ˹from any goodness˺." (Surah Al Kawthar)

"When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest, And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes, Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of Repentance." (Surah An-nasr)
 

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I wish I could like this comment. Islamophobes are like rats and crock roaches, there's too many and they're nothing but ignorant haters with no leg to stand upon. Literally, all their allegations and claims against Islam have been refuted by Muslims but they keep bringing up the same refuted arguments over and over again. Their allegations and criticisms against Islam is mostly lies, Ignorance, distortions taken out of context or inconsistency. They copy and paste BS from Anti Islamic websites and act as if they are experts in Islam, I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for these miserable idiots, I mostly ignore them. As for the Prophet (ﷺ), we Muslims should be mindful that Allah, the lord of the Heavens and the Earth has honored him, Billions of Muslims around the world praise him and follow him, Muhammad (ﷺ) has been named in Michael Heart's book as the most influential man! what miserable Islamophobes say about the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) is irrelevant.

"Surely the disbelievers spend their wealth to hinder others from the Path of Allah. They will continue to spend to the point of regret. Then they will be defeated and the disbelievers will be driven into Hell." (Quran 8:36)

"Indeed, We are sufficient for you against the mockers." (Quran 15:95)

"It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it." (Quran 9:33)

"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to perish." (Quran 17:81)

"Indeed, We have granted you (O Prophet) abundant goodness. So pray and sacrifice to your Lord ˹alone˺. Only the one who hates you is truly cut off ˹from any goodness˺." (Surah Al Kawthar)

"When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest, And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes, Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of Repentance." (Surah An-nasr)
So people who don't worship your pedo prophet are islamophob?
Your pedo prophet was a disgusting person who slept with a little girl
Due to his disgusting behavior millions of muslim girls are married to 50 year old muslim men
Your fake prophet destroyed Aisha when he slept with her...it probably explains the reason why she could not have Kids

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So people who don't worship your pedo prophet are islamophob?
Your pedo prophet was a disgusting person who slept with a little girl
Due to his disgusting behavior millions of muslim girls are married to 50 year old muslim men
Your fake prophet destroyed Aisha when he slept with her...it probably explains the reason why she could not have Kids

Hope this helps
Thanks for proving to everyone that you're nothing but an ignorant barking dog that can't refute my points. I brought facts, all you brought was low level insults.
 

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Thanks for proving to everyone that you're nothing but an ignorant barking dog that can't refute my points. I brought facts, all you brought was low level insults.
The facts say that your prophet was a pedo
A 55 year old man who sleeps with 9 year old girl is a pedophile and no amount of mental gymnastic will change that
I don't even want to talk about he sucked little boy tongues

I am sure that you will probably never do these disgusting things
You are probably a better human being than your prophet

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You mozlamics are looking real scary in this thread. Y’all sound like cult members defending pedophilia. Pls seek professional help
 

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You mozlamics are looking real scary in this thread. Y’all sound like cult members defending pedophilia. Pls seek professional help
And they have no shame to claim that their pedo prophet is the most perfect human being that ever lived and he is a moral example for manking


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I wish I could like this comment. Islamophobes are like rats and crock roaches, there's too many and they're nothing but ignorant haters with no leg to stand upon. Literally, all their allegations and claims against Islam have been refuted by Muslims but they keep bringing up the same refuted arguments over and over again. Their allegations and criticisms against Islam is mostly lies, Ignorance, distortions taken out of context or inconsistency. They copy and paste BS from Anti Islamic websites and act as if they are experts in Islam, I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for these miserable idiots, I mostly ignore them. As for the Prophet (ﷺ), we Muslims should be mindful that Allah, the lord of the Heavens and the Earth has honored him, Billions of Muslims around the world praise him and follow him, Muhammad (ﷺ) has been named in Michael Heart's book as the most influential man! what miserable Islamophobes say about the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) is irrelevant.

"Surely the disbelievers spend their wealth to hinder others from the Path of Allah. They will continue to spend to the point of regret. Then they will be defeated and the disbelievers will be driven into Hell." (Quran 8:36)

"Indeed, We are sufficient for you against the mockers." (Quran 15:95)

"It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it." (Quran 9:33)

"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to perish." (Quran 17:81)

"Indeed, We have granted you (O Prophet) abundant goodness. So pray and sacrifice to your Lord ˹alone˺. Only the one who hates you is truly cut off ˹from any goodness˺." (Surah Al Kawthar)

"When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest, And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes, Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of Repentance." (Surah An-nasr)

Thanks,

I just get so pissed when I see people put labels on Prophet Muhammad and Islam, then giving a silly assumption of Prophet Muhammad being a pedophile, and then regurgitating someone's chucked up comments from the Reddit website that has nothing to do with Islam, but rather THEIR viewpoint of what Islam means.

Me, I'm proud of the fact that I grew up in a Black Muslim household. It taught me not to be blind to the prejudices of life and even though my struggle would be hard, I would survive. You can never learn that with Christian living, so yes I will continue to honor Islam.

NUMBER #1 QUESTION: Who are the number #1 masterminds behind the molestation of young boys in the Catholic church???? Who is responsible for all the police brutality, lynchings, and other racially motivated crimes in America???? Who is responsible for George Zimmerman getting off scot-free for murdering Trayvon Martin??? Who is responsible for sending thousands of our military troops overseas to be maimed and killed in some of the most dangerous wars in American history???? Can anything I just mentioned be blamed on Islam???

Wake the hell up people!!!!
 

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MAYBE THE REASON WHY AISHA DIDN'T HAVE ANY KIDS IS BECAUSE OF PERSONAL CHOICE...HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT YOU LITTLE b!tch???

AND WHY ARE YOU SO CONCERNED ABOUT HER HAVING CHILDREN ANYWAY???? WHAT THE HELL BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS??? WHAT DOES HER HAVING CHILDREN (OR NOT) HAVE TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL TOPIC BEING DISCUSSED???

YOU SHOULD CHANGE YOUR USERNAME FROM "JACKSON90" TO "JACKASS" BECAUSE YOU'RE SOUNDING REALLY DUMB RIGHT NOW.

MY OWN HUSBAND HAS BETTER SENSE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE...HE ACCEPTS THAT FACTS ARE FACTS, HE DOESN'T KEEP GOING ON AND ON ABOUT A THING!!!!
The facts say that your cult leader was pedophile and a disgusting human being

50 year old man + 9 year old girl = Pedophilia


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I just get so pissed when I see people put labels on Prophet Muhammad and Islam, then giving a silly assumption of Prophet Muhammad being a pedophile, and then regurgitating someone's chucked up comments from the Reddit website that has nothing to do with Islam, but rather THEIR viewpoint of what Islam means.
No one is putting a label on your pedo prophet
A man who sleep with a little girl is a pedophile
A man who has xes slaves and rape them is a disgusting human being and a rapist

That is what your prophet is/was

NUMBER #1 QUESTION: Who are the number #1 masterminds behind the molestation of young boys in the Catholic church???? Who is responsible for all the police brutality, lynchings, and other racially motivated crimes in America???? Who is responsible for George Zimmerman getting off scot-free for murdering Trayvon Martin??? Who is responsible for sending thousands of our military troops overseas to be maimed and killed in some of the most dangerous wars in American history???? Can anything I just mentioned be blamed on Islam
Who is responsible of over 99% of all terrorist attacks?
Who enslaved black people during 14 centuries?


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This is what happens when people are ignorant of history and social customs.

Firstly, the Prophet's marriage to Aisha (ra) was a revelation from Allah, Aisha was shown to the Prophet twice in his dreams, a man was carrying her on silken cloth and said to the Prophet, 'This is your wife.' The Prophet said, 'If this dream is from Allah, He will cause it to come true.' In all pre-modern traditional cultures, it was not abnormal for girls to consummate marriages between the ages of 10 and 12 and that was perfectly acceptable back then. Muhammad's (ﷺ) worst enemies would slander him with the worst accusations imaginable, they called him a "magician", a "sorcerer", a "mad man", but they never slandered him because he married Aisha at a young age since was the norm of their time. Neither the Jews or the Christians of his time found any issue with the Prophet Muhammad's (ﷺ) marriage to Aisha. Today we find that shocking, but the pre-modern people lived in a very different time period. In the history of the world, there’s never been a universally agreed upon minimum age for marriage. Every religion, civilization, history, and country has its own minimums. So what’s the perfect age for marriage? Depends on who you ask! Some say minimum age of marriage should be 18 for both boys and girls. Some say 16, and some even say 14 or 12. The age of marriage, throughout history, before the 19th century was very low. Some cultures, including Britain, allowed girls as young as 7 to be married legally (see "William Blackstone's Commentaries on the English Law" published 1867, page. 110). Most of Africa, Asia, Europe and the rest of the world married off their children as soon as they reached the age of puberty. Please see the following link: Age of Consent in European & American History – Discover The Truth (discover-the-truth.com)

When does a child reach the age of puberty? See the following link: Stages of puberty: what happens to boys and girls - NHS (www.nhs.uk)

As you can see in the NHS link above that a child can reach puberty (adulthood) between the age of 8 to 14. So, historically speaking, in pre-modern societies as soon as children showed signs of adulthood they were married. Modern standards of liberal/secular "morality/ethics" can not be applied on pre-modern societies. That would render every single human a pedophile. Some cultures in Africa and Asia follow the old system to this day. If we judged all humans (who lived before the 19th century) by our standards today then that would render all of them morally redundant. Applying modern standards to pre-modern societies is called anachronism (see link): ANACHRONISM | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

In conclusion, those who condemn Muhammad (ﷺ), a man alive in the 7th century Arabia, for doing something normal (i.e. getting married to an adult), even by the standards of the 19th century are in fact guilty of condemning the rest of humanity for doing the same thing.

Finally, there can only be two reasons for people to "criticize" the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) for this:

1. Ignorance of human history or 2. Blind irrational hatred. Most Islamophobias have both these qualities. They are both ignorant and blind haters. Do the Muslims today have to get married that young? The answer is no. Times have changed, thinking has changed, people have changed. Most Muslims do not get their children married that young because they live in different times. Besides, it has become illegal in most countries to do so and Muslims are mostly law abiding citizens. It is not a religious obligation in Islam to get married as soon as one hits the age of puberty. The main condition of marriage being consummated in Islam is physical maturity and even that is contingent upon the legal systems of the countries they reside in, also Islam teaches that there should be no harm in such a marriage whether it's physical or mental. Did the Prophet do anything wrong by marrying Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her)? Absolutely not, as he did what the rest of humanity considered normal practice in that day and age.

All Islam-haters or Islamophobes must be ready to either condemn their ancestors as pedophiles or be ready to remain silent on this matter. They should get a life, this charge is not working. Most Orientalists or western scholars (such as Ockley, Gibbon, Noldeke, Goldziher and Muir), who wrote on the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) before the 20th century, did not criticize him on this matter. They found other reasons to attack the Prophet but NEVER did they use the age of Aisha as a point of contention. This was due to their own indulgence in the same practice i.e. marrying their daughters off young. Pre-modern societies did not see marrying off their daughters young as pedophilia. They divided children and adults by determining the age of puberty. To them, anyone who had reached the age of puberty was not a child anymore: Child | Definition of Child by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Child

Lastly, Aisha was very happy with the marriage and loved her husband greatly and would always defend him, if she didn't find anything wrong with the marriage then I guess it's better if you shut up and get a life. Aisha is the most influential women in Muslim history. She has a high status in Islam. She was an intelligent women with a great memory. She memorized the Quran, she knew medicine, poetry and Islamic matters. When the companions of the Prophet didn't know an Islamic ruling on an Issue, they would always ask Aisha for the ruling and she always knew it. She was the top primary narrator of Hadith. She loved her husband and would always defend him. Her relationship with the Prophet was a beautiful one.




Where's the reference that the Prophet (ﷺ) use to thigh Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) before the age of 9? Show me a Sahih Hadith that states that, if you don't then you're a liar. That Hadith that you just posted only states that she cleaned the Prophet's clothes, it doesn't mention how old she is and it doesn't mention anything about "thighing", and Aisha didn't live with live with the Prophet until 9 so you're just making sh!t up.


Listen, unless you want to further hurt your own feelings, I suggest you leave me alone. I’m an Islamic scholar compared to 80% of you so called muslims.

However, if you want facts, quote me back, BUT don’t be mad if the truth hurts your feelings. Further, know that I’m a native Arabic Speaker so I will dismantle your “watered down for the unassuming” approach in two quick seconds.

This is a very old thread, let it be. Nonetheless, I am always ready to defend my stands with FACTS only.
 

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No one is putting a label on your pedo prophet
A man who sleep with a little girl is a pedophile
A man who has xes slaves and rape them is a disgusting human being and a rapist

That is what your prophet is/was


Who is responsible of over 99% of all terrorist attacks?
Who enslaved black people during 14 centuries?


Hope this helps

Slavery was ORIGINALLY established by the Jews and Christians (their Bibles even condone it). Everybody and their grandmother owned slaves before Prophet Muhammad existed. However, Prophet Muhammad abolished slavery. And the Arab slave trade wasn't exactly the same as the Slavery in America (which mind you is the WORST manifestation of slavery ever and is based primarily on skin color). Before Prophet Muhammad's birth, the Arabian people had to deal with many issues including slavery, and the rules in Arabia were set forth on how one is to deal with his slaves, you can not physically abuse a slave UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!

In Arabia the ONLY way someone became a slave is if:
1. They are a POW (prisoner of war)
2. They don't accept Islam and isn't of the People of The Book.

The slave trade in the Arab world was a COMPLETE contrast from the American world. Unlike the Arab slave trade the American slave traders beat, raped, castrated and even killed slaves for disobeying them, some slave traders were also flaming homosexuals, and y'all call them "Founding Fathers" and name your raggedy ass streets after them. Yet Muhammad is viewed as a pedophile for only having ONE young girl as a wife...y'all silly as hell...

Also slaves had many rights, the children of slaves could not be slaves. Most of the caliphs (helpers) of Prophet Muhammad during the Ummayd and Abbasid dynasties were the sons of slave mothers. You basically had Prophet Muhammad and caliphs of the prophet racing each other and hunting down slaves to free, until there was no more slavery.

Secondly there are many sins one can obsolve themselves from by freeing a slave, such as missing days of compulsory fasting and missing obligatory prayers. Now any Muslim or Arab today that owns slaves does so on their own, and of course the Arabian government deals with them accordingly.

And as far as the 9/11 terrorist attacks are concerned, the people who carried out those attacks weren't even Muslim, they were actually CIA agents who were pretending to be Muslim. Remember the lies about Saddam Hussein having weapons of mass destruction? And those fake Bin Laden tapes that kept coming out long after his death? The CIA agents were behind that too.

But while it's easy to blame for making war with America, we must look deeper at the gun manufacturers, government officials, and others who earn billions by creating this deadly environment. Quite a few institutions have blood on their hands, and we must dig to the root in order to stop it.
 

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Slavery was ORIGINALLY established by the Jews and Christians (their Bibles even condone it). Everybody and their grandmother owned slaves before Prophet Muhammad existed. However, Prophet Muhammad abolished slavery. And the Arab slave trade wasn't exactly the same as the Slavery in America (which mind you is the WORST manifestation of slavery ever and is based primarily on skin color). Before Prophet Muhammad's birth, the Arabian people had to deal with many issues including slavery, and the rules in Arabia were set forth on how one is to deal with his slaves, you can not physically abuse a slave UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!

In Arabia the ONLY way someone became a slave is if:
1. They are a POW (prisoner of war)
2. They don't accept Islam and isn't of the People of The Book.

The slave trade in the Arab world was a COMPLETE contrast from the American world. Unlike the Arab slave trade the American slave traders beat, raped, castrated and even killed slaves for disobeying them, some slave traders were also flaming homosexuals, and y'all call them "Founding Fathers" and name your raggedy ass streets after them. Yet Muhammad is viewed as a pedophile for only having ONE young girl as a wife...y'all silly as hell...

Also slaves had many rights, the children of slaves could not be slaves. Most of the caliphs (helpers) of Prophet Muhammad during the Ummayd and Abbasid dynasties were the sons of slave mothers. You basically had Prophet Muhammad and caliphs of the prophet racing each other and hunting down slaves to free, until there was no more slavery.

Secondly there are many sins one can obsolve themselves from by freeing a slave, such as missing days of compulsory fasting and missing obligatory prayers. Now any Muslim or Arab today that owns slaves does so on their own, and of course the Arabian government deals with them accordingly.

And as far as the 9/11 terrorist attacks are concerned, the people who carried out those attacks weren't even Muslim, they were actually CIA agents who were pretending to be Muslim. Remember the lies about Saddam Hussein having weapons of mass destruction? And those fake Bin Laden tapes that kept coming out long after his death? The CIA agents were behind that too.

But while it's easy to blame for making war with America, we must look deeper at the gun manufacturers, government officials, and others who earn billions by creating this deadly environment. Quite a few institutions have blood on their hands, and we must dig to the root in order to stop it.
the arabs enslaved black people long before europeans decided to enslave us
Arabs enslaved us during 14 centuries and your fake prophet owned and traded black slaves

in this thread i can't talk about all the disgusting that your prophet did during his life

you can try to create excuses for your prophet but 55 year old man + a 9 year old man = pedophilia
it means he was a pedophile

muslims are shameless to call their pedo prophet the most perfect human being that ever walked the earth and a moral example for all mankind

55 year old man + 9 year old girl = pedophilia


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the arabs enslaved black people long before europeans decided to enslave us
Arabs enslaved us during 14 centuries and your fake prophet owned and traded black slaves

in this thread i can't talk about all the disgusting that your prophet did during his life

you can try to create excuses for your prophet but 55 year old man + a 9 year old man = pedophilia
it means he was a pedophile

muslims are shameless to call their pedo prophet the most perfect human being that ever walked the earth and a moral example for all mankind

55 year old man + 9 year old girl = pedophilia


Hope this helps

We can argue about this topic all day long, until January 2022 if you want to. But at the end of the day, Prophet Muhammad was not a pedophile nor a cult leader. If he was such a fake prophet as you claim, why is Islam one of the most popular and well-known religions in the world?

People like you are usually FULL OF DRAMA, and are the most dysfunctional, yet have the nerve to try and judge/criticize a man they NEVER seen. You behave just as bad (if not worse) than the average fake nails, bad weave wearing ghetto chick in the club. You have so much hate for Islam it's funny and sad at the same time.

One finger point at us, 20 pointed back at you, you'll never win....
 

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We can argue about this topic all day long, until January 2022 if you want to. But at the end of the day, Prophet Muhammad was not a pedophile nor a cult leader. If he was such a fake prophet as you claim, why is Islam one of the most popular and well-known religions in the world?

People like you are usually FULL OF DRAMA, and are the most dysfunctional, yet have the nerve to try and judge/criticize a man they NEVER seen. You behave just as bad (if not worse) than the average fake nails, bad weave wearing ghetto chick in the club. You have so much hate for Islam it's funny and sad at the same time.

One finger point at us, 20 pointed back at you, you'll never win....
a 55 year old man + 9 year old girl = Pedophilia
it means that you fake prophet aka the cult leader was a pedophile
you can try to create excuses but it will never change that he was a disgusting human being
you even admitted that you will not allow your 8 year old daughter to marry a 50 year old muslim man because you know that it is wrong
but because your cult leader was a pedo, you are writing essays on LSA to defend his disgusting behavior


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a 55 year old man + 9 year old girl = Pedophilia
it means that you fake prophet aka the cult leader was a pedophile
you can try to create excuses but it will never change that he was a disgusting human being
you even admitted that you will not allow your 8 year old daughter to marry a 50 year old muslim man because you know that it is wrong
but because your cult leader was a pedo, you are writing essays on LSA to defend his disgusting behavior


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Girl if I didn't know any better I swear you're on drugs...you really need to sit yourself down because you're not as smart (or bad) as you think you are.

You remind me of a dumb font from North Carolina who loved to find any and every excuse to sh!t on the Muslim community. If you feel the right to disrespect Prophet Muhammad, then we are well within our gotdamn right to defend ourselves and vice versa.

You get on here and say a bunch of sh!t, begging for folks opinions and constructive criticism and when it's something you don't gravitate to, you get all bunched up in the face like a constipated ass bullfrog on a tree stump, and run to administration like Richard Kimble in the Fugitive movies looking for a support group or some sh!t like that.

Instead of playing tit for tat with the Muslims, you need to buy your ass a cook book and learn how to cook. You don't know how to season a whole chicken, can't boil a fµck!ng pot of Uncle Ben's rice properly, don't even know how to fry a decent gotdamn egg, but got the nerve to wanna talk to us all crazy, and call someone a fake prophet.

If you had any sense, you wouldn't be wasting their time printing a bunch of foolishness on LSA for everyone to read, much less comment on. But no, they're just a ignorant font doing what all ignorant fonts do...typing chicken scratch for your entertainment purposes.
 

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Girl if I didn't know any better I swear you're on drugs...you really need to sit yourself down because you're not as smart (or bad) as you think you are.

You remind me of a dumb font from North Carolina who loved to find any and every excuse to sh!t on the Muslim community. If you feel the right to disrespect Prophet Muhammad, then we are well within our gotdamn right to defend ourselves and vice versa.

You get on here and say a bunch of sh!t, begging for folks opinions and constructive criticism and when it's something you don't gravitate to, you get all bunched up in the face like a constipated ass bullfrog on a tree stump, and run to administration like Richard Kimble in the Fugitive movies looking for a support group or some sh!t like that.

Instead of playing tit for tat with the Muslims, you need to buy your ass a cook book and learn how to cook. You don't know how to season a whole chicken, can't boil a fµck!ng pot of Uncle Ben's rice properly, don't even know how to fry a decent gotdamn egg, but got the nerve to wanna talk to us all crazy, and call someone a fake prophet.

If you had any sense, you wouldn't be wasting their time printing a bunch of foolishness on LSA for everyone to read, much less comment on. But no, they're just a ignorant font doing what all ignorant fonts do...typing chicken scratch for your entertainment purposes.

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a 55 year old man + 9 year old girl = pedophilia


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a 55 year old man + 9 year old girl = pedophilia


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Leave Prophet Muhammad alone and go get you a cookbook...and learn how to serve your family something other than a McDeath hamburger or a damn Popeyes Chicken Sandwich :ROFLMAO:
 

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Leave Prophet Muhammad alone and go get you a cookbook...and learn how to serve your family something other than a McDeath hamburger or a damn Popeyes Chicken Sandwich :ROFLMAO:
A 55 year old man + 9 year old girl = pedophilia
It means that your cult leader was a pedo


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Leave Prophet Muhammad alone and go get you a cookbook...and learn how to serve your family something other than a McDeath hamburger or a damn Popeyes Chicken Sandwich :ROFLMAO:


You can’t defend Muhammad so you resort to this?

Muhammad was raping 6 year old A’isha. This is WRITTEN in your own “holy” texts.

Muhammad killed and raped lots of people. Do you deny that?
 

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Muhammad was raping 6 year old A’isha. This is WRITTEN in your own “holy” texts.
Bring your proof or otherwise you're a liar. There's no text that says Muhammad (ﷺ) "raped Aisha at 6", you're making stuff up.
Muhammad killed and raped lots of people. Do you deny that?
There's no evidence that he raped anyone, bring your evidence or otherwise you're a liar. As for him "Killing people", He only killed his enemies on the battle field, not innocent people. Self defense is a human principle.

“A’isha reported that Allah’s MESSENGER NEVER BEAT ANYONE WITH HIS HAND, neither a women, nor a servant, but only, in the case when he had been fighting in the cause of Allah and he never took revenge for anything unless the things made inviolable by Allah were made violable; he then took revenge for Allah, the Exalted and Glorious.” (Sahih Muslim Book 30, Hadith 5756)
 

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Bring your proof or otherwise you're a liar. There's no text that says Muhammad (ﷺ) "raped Aisha at 6", you're making stuff up.

There's no evidence that he raped anyone, bring your evidence or otherwise you're a liar. As for him "Killing people", He only killed his enemies on the battle field, not innocent people. Self defense is a human principle.

“A’isha reported that Allah’s MESSENGER NEVER BEAT ANYONE WITH HIS HAND, neither a women, nor a servant, but only, in the case when he had been fighting in the cause of Allah and he never took revenge for anything unless the things made inviolable by Allah were made violable; he then took revenge for Allah, the Exalted and Glorious.” (Sahih Muslim Book 30, Hadith 5756)


Takiya!!


حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، وَأُدْخِلَتْ عَلَيْهِ وَهْىَ بِنْتُ تِسْعٍ، وَمَكَثَتْ عِنْدَهُ تِسْعًا‏.‏​

Narrated by A’isha:

Allah’s Prophet (ﷺ) married me when I was six years old and he consummated our marriage when I was nine years old, and then I remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).


Sahih al-Bukhari 5133
Book 67
Hadith 69
Vol. 7, Book 62, also Hadith 64


حَدَّثَنَا مُعَلَّى بْنُ أَسَدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا وُهَيْبٌ، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، وَبَنَى بِهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ‏.‏ قَالَ هِشَامٌ وَأُنْبِئْتُ أَنَّهَا كَانَتْ عِنْدَهُ تِسْعَ سِنِينَ‏.‏​


The Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih al-Bukhari 5134
Book 67, Hadith 70
Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 65


Questions? Rebuttals? Other evidence?

PS I speak, write, and read both Arabic and English proficiently so I’m eagerly awaiting your response.
 

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Takiya!!


حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، وَأُدْخِلَتْ عَلَيْهِ وَهْىَ بِنْتُ تِسْعٍ، وَمَكَثَتْ عِنْدَهُ تِسْعًا‏.‏​

Narrated by A’isha:

Allah’s Prophet (ﷺ) married me when I was six years old and he consummated our marriage when I was nine years old, and then I remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).


Sahih al-Bukhari 5133
Book 67
Hadith 69
Vol. 7, Book 62, also Hadith 64


حَدَّثَنَا مُعَلَّى بْنُ أَسَدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا وُهَيْبٌ، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، وَبَنَى بِهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ‏.‏ قَالَ هِشَامٌ وَأُنْبِئْتُ أَنَّهَا كَانَتْ عِنْدَهُ تِسْعَ سِنِينَ‏.‏​


The Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih al-Bukhari 5134
Book 67, Hadith 70
Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 65


Questions? Rebuttals? Other evidence?

PS I speak, write, and read both Arabic and English proficiently so I’m eagerly awaiting your response.
You said he "raped her at 6", I asked you to bring evidence and you didn't bring any evidence for your claim. I'll repeat it again! bring any evidence that Muhammad (ﷺ) "raped" Aisha at 6 or even "thighed" her, if you can't then you're a liar or retract your false claims.

As for her marriage, she was married (betrothed) at the age of 6 but she did not live with the him until she reached the age of maturity at 9. An Adult in the 20th century is considered an Adult when they reach 18, 100 years ago or even 1400 years ago, if you reached the age of puberty you were considered to be an Adult. I and most Muslims don't see any issues in the marriage.
 

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You said he "raped her at 6", I asked you to bring evidence and you didn't bring any evidence for your claim. I'll repeat it again! bring any evidence that Muhammad (ﷺ) "raped" Aisha at 6 or even "thighed" her, if you can't then you're a liar or retract your false claims.

As for her marriage, she was married (betrothed) at the age of 6 but she did not live with the him until she reached the age of maturity at 9. An Adult in the 20th century is considered an Adult when they reach 18, 100 years ago or even 1400 years ago, if you reached the age of puberty you were considered to be an Adult. I and most Muslims don't see any issues in the marriage.

A six year old CANNOT consent, IT’S RAPE and Muhammad was a rapist. What part of that is hard understand?


Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18: Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother!"

The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Muhammad married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of six and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad)

Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.

https://aaiil.org/text/books/others...mentarysahihbukhari/vol3/sahihbukharivol3.pdf

I have made it my life’s mission to study the Barbarian called Muhammad. I have references to defend my position so bring it on. However, stop deflecting and being dishonest. Let’s debate verse by verse, in Arabic or English... I’m open.

Muhammad was a dangerous, sadistic piece of work. STOP defending the indefensible.
 

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A six year old CANNOT consent, IT’S RAPE and Muhammad was a rapist. What part of that is hard understand?


Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18: Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother!"

The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Muhammad married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of six and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad)

Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.

https://aaiil.org/text/books/others...mentarysahihbukhari/vol3/sahihbukharivol3.pdf

I have made it my life’s mission to study the Barbarian called Muhammad. I have references to defend my position so bring it on. However, stop deflecting and being dishonest. Let’s debate verse by verse, in Arabic or English... I’m open.

Muhammad was a dangerous, sadistic piece of work. STOP defending the indefensible.
You have a terrible a reading comprehension. Aisha didn't even live with him until the reached maturity at the age of 9! you made a claim that he "raped" her at 6. I challenged you to bring any evidence but you haven't. Yes Aisha was not ready for consummation at six so they waited till she was mature.

That is to say: I menstruated, and I was brought in a house, and there were some women of the Ansari in it. They said: With good luck and blessing. (Sunan Abu Dawud, 4933)

Aisha knew (that she hit puberty) when she became nine years old. (Shaikh Abdur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri, Tuhfat AI-Ahwadhi, Kitab: al-Nikah, Bab: Maa Jaa'a fee Ikraah Al Yateemah 'alaa al tazweej, Hadith no. 1027)
 

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You have a terrible a reading comprehension. Aisha didn't even live with him until the reached maturity at the age of 9! you made a claim that he "raped" her at 6. I challenged you to bring any evidence but you haven't. Yes Aisha was not ready for consummation at six so they waited till she was mature.

That is to say: I menstruated, and I was brought in a house, and there were some women of the Ansari in it. They said: With good luck and blessing. (Sunan Abu Dawud, 4933)

Aisha knew (that she hit puberty) when she became nine years old. (Shaikh Abdur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri, Tuhfat AI-Ahwadhi, Kitab: al-Nikah, Bab: Maa Jaa'a fee Ikraah Al Yateemah 'alaa al tazweej, Hadith no. 1027)

You are a LIAR!

You underestimated my Islamic/Arabic knowledge :)


سَى بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيل ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادٌ . ح وحَدَّثَنَا بِشْرُ بْنُ خَالِدٍ ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ ، قَالَا : حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامُ بْنُ عُرْوَةَ ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ، قَالَتْ : " إِنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ تَزَوَّجَنِي وَأَنَا بِنْتُ سَبْعٍ أَوْ سِتٍّ فَلَمَّا قَدِمْنَا الْمَدِينَةَ أَتَيْنَ نِسْوَةٌ ، وَقَالَ بِشْرٌ : فَأَتَتْنِي أُمُّ رُومَانَ وَأَنَا عَلَى أُرْجُوحَةٍ فَذَهَبْنَ بِي وَهَيَّأْنَنِي وَصَنَعْنَنِي ، فَأُتِيَ بِي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ، فَبَنَى بِي وَأَنَا ابْنَةُ تِسْعٍ فَوَقَفَتْ بِي عَلَى الْباب ، فَقُلْتُ : هِيهْ هِيهْ " , قَالَ أَبُو دَاوُد : أَيْ تَنَفَّسَتْ فَأُدْخِلْتُ بَيْتًا فَإِذَا فِيهِ نِسْوَةٌ مِنْ الْأَنْصَارِ فَقُلْنَ عَلَى الْخَيْرِ وَالْبَرَكَةِ , دَخَلَ حَدِيثُ أَحَدِهِمَا فِي الْآخَرِ .

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´ام المؤمنین عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا کہتی ہیں کہ` رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے مجھ سے شادی کی، میں سات سال کی تھی، پھر جب ہم مدینہ آئے، تو کچھ عورتیں آئیں، بشر کی روایت میں ہے: پھر میرے پاس (میری والدہ) ام رومان آئیں، اس وقت میں ایک جھولہ پر تھی، وہ مجھے لے گئیں اور مجھے سنوارا سجایا پھر مجھے رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے پاس لے گئیں، تو آپ نے میرے ساتھ رات گزاری، اس وقت میں نو سال کی تھی وہ مجھے لے کر دروازے پر کھڑی ہوئیں، میں نے کہا: «هيه هيه» ۔ (ابوداؤد کہتے ہیں: «هيه هيه» کا مطلب ہے کہ انہوں نے زور زور سے سانس کھینچی)، عائشہ کہتی ہیں: پھر میں ایک کمرے میں لائی گئی تو کیا دیکھتی ہوں کہ وہاں انصار کی کچھ عورتیں (پہلے سے بیٹھی ہوئی) ہیں، انہوں نے «على الخير والبركة» کہہ کر مجھے دعا دی۔​


Narrated Aishah, Ummul Muminin: The Messenger of Allah ﷺ married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Madina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Messenger of Allah ﷺ, and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. Abu Dawud said: That is to say: I menstruated, and I was brought in a house, and there were some women of the Ansari in it. They said: With good luck and blessing. The tradition of one of them has been included in the other.

Sunan Abi Dawud Hadees Number 4933 - Chapter 43 - Chapter Belief Faith

Why do you guys lie so much? As a “believer” you should know that Bukhari is the most “Sahih” (authentic) of ALL the Hadith, yet you continue to try and decisive me? Why?!

Come on....

If you have to lie, cover up, make up excuses, etc then what you “think you believe in” is a SCAM and bµllsh!t. It’s okay to free your mind from mental bondage. Freedom is free
 

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