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THEISTS, this is not your space.
Please scroll down to post #8


I asked for Lenny Kravitz in prayer and absolutely believed he was mine. NOTHING.

I compromised and settled for Harrison Ford. NOTHING.

So I plea-bargained for Denzel Washington. NOTHING.

Desperate, I even begged for Brad Pitt, warts and all. NOTHING.

It's a scam, ladies.
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First of all God is not a genie you need to change how you look at him and second what you ask for must be in accordance with his will.
What does God giving you Lenny Kravitz do for your soul ?
 

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First of all God is not a genie you need to change how you look at him and second what you ask for must be in accordance with his will.
What does God giving you Lenny Kravitz do for your soul ?

Mark11:24 doesn't ask me to do anything but ask and believe I received.

I followed the instructions.

Lenny Kravitz would fill my soul with joy.
 
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Mark11:24 doesn't ask me to do anything but ask and believe I received.

I followed the instructions.

Lenny Kravitz would fill my soul with joy.
Can someone make a athetist/agnostic/free thinkers sub group? Because it seems like religious people always plague this forum and it is really annoying
 

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Unanswered prayers was why I stopped believing. If anyone makes a group please add me.
 

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First of all God is not a genie you need to change how you look at him and second what you ask for must be in accordance with his will.
What does God giving you Lenny Kravitz do for your soul ?

Now, WTF you in HERE with that bµllsh!t?
 

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Now, WTF you in HERE with that bµllsh!t?
Exactly. This is supposed to be a safe sanctuary for atheists and agnostics. There was a banner at the top in the old system stating that this was NOT a place for theists to debate and they were to use the Religious Debate Forum.

Theists have TWO sub-forums that we do not sabotage. But they always come in here with their displeasure. The decline of Christianity in America is understandable considering how many godless-heathens wearing Christian badges claimed Trump was sent by their god.

John Fugelsang:
"Some of the most Christian people
I know are atheists,
and some of the most godless heathens
I know are Christian."

John Fugelsang knows what he is talking about. Both his parents were former Christian clergy.



No wonder
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THEISTS, this is not your space.
Please scroll down to post #8


I asked for Lenny Kravitz in prayer and absolutely believed he was mine. NOTHING.

I compromised and settled for Harrison Ford. NOTHING.

So I plea-bargained for Denzel Washington. NOTHING.

Desperate, I even begged for Brad Pitt, warts and all. NOTHING.

It's a scam, ladies.
Chriza28:

You are quoting Mark 11:24 and ignoring other scriptures that make it clear that one's prayer must be in harmony with Jehovah's will--in order the prayer to perhaps be answered..

"And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that no matter what we ask, according to his will, he hears us." (1 John 14)

Alter2Ego
 

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Chriza28:

You are quoting Mark 11:24 and ignoring other scriptures that make it clear that one's prayer must be in harmony with Jehovah's will--in order the prayer to perhaps be answered..

"And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that no matter what we ask, according to his will, he hears us." (1 John 14)

Alter2Ego

Gosh, if you were my dad and you promised me I could watch any movie I wanted for my birthday and I said I wanted to watch a Disney movie and he said NO, a Disney movie wasn't what he had in mind for me to choose ...

I'd find myself a new dad.

Thanks for advancing the cause of atheism.

And you can't even follow the rules in this sub-forum - this forum is for atheists and agnostics.
 

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Chriza28:

You are quoting Mark 11:24 and ignoring other scriptures that make it clear that one's prayer must be in harmony with Jehovah's will--in order the prayer to perhaps be answered..

"And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that no matter what we ask, according to his will, he hears us." (1 John 14)

Alter2Ego
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Thread over
What's heading towards being over is anti-science attitudes.

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No one has perfected the art of hatred and hate-speech like the Christian hypocrite. Trump's presidency made that very clear.
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But did god send any dyck? Nothing?
When I couldn't pray away my Dad's spankings I started waking up. I realized that it was up to me to stop doing stupid ish. Me and me alone could keep this Marine from unleashing the Tet offensive on my behind.
 

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No I’m pro science. Love love it allways will. But western science allways changes it’s stance the word of God doesnt
Science doesn't change its stance .. it corrects details over time as new findings are revealed. Science, in the overall sense, will always be dynamic.

However, you surely jest about the static stance of the word of god. There are tens of thousands of versions of Christianity alone, each one proclaiming to be the one true version. BTW, are you suggesting that Eve was created out of Adam's donated rib? If so, why don't men have one rib less than women?

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Science doesn't change its stance .. it corrects details over time as new findings are revealed. Science, in the overall sense, will always be dynamic.

However, you surely jest about the static stance of the word of god. There are tens of thousands of versions of Christianity alone, each one proclaiming to be the one true version. BTW, are you suggesting that Eve was created out of Adam's donated rib? If so, why don't men have one rib less than women?

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That is a cute meme and I agree. Those translations are lies. If you read the King James 1611 or the Textus Receptus there is no lies. Yeah it “corrects” them and sometimes they incorrectly “correct” something that they initially had correct. So science is very flawed. And no I am not suggesting God opened up his rib cage and took out a rib. It is called a similitude.

just because I misquote someone or misquote a book doesn’t mean the original quote is not true hence your meme. Very cute though
 

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That is a cute meme and I agree. Those translations are lies. If you read the King James 1611 or the Textus Receptus there is no lies. Yeah it “corrects” them and sometimes they incorrectly “correct” something that they initially had correct. So science is very flawed. And no I am not suggesting God opened up his rib cage and took out a rib. It is called a similitude.

just because I misquote someone or misquote a book doesn’t mean the original quote is not true hence your meme. Very cute though
No, science is NOT flawed. Science EVOLVES with each new finding. It was science that told us the earth was not flat while the Bible got it wrong.

People are no longer dying from diseases like polio and smallpox (among a host of others) because of SCIENCE. 2000 years worth of prayers did nothing to save lives until science evolved to put an end to these diseases saving millions of lives.

Oh, did you read the original Bible so that we know what god said before scribes came along and made changes, and then King James decided to create his own version?

So tell me. How was old Mary when she got pregnant?
On what day was Jesus born?
On what day did Jesus die?
What did Jesus do before he turned 30?
Who were Jesus' relatives so that we can check on DNA?
Why don't Evangelicals pray at intensive care locations in hospitals instead of in church? Is it because critically sick people can't write them a check?

I look forward to hearing your inspired explanations.
 
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No, science is NOT flawed. Science EVOLVES with each new finding. It was science that told us the earth was not flat while the Bible got it wrong.

People are no longer dying from diseases like polio and smallpox (among a host of others) because of SCIENCE. 2000 years worth of prayers did nothing to save lives until science evolved to put an end to these diseases saving millions of lives.

Oh, did you read the original Bible so that we know what god said before scribes came along and made changes, and then King James decided to create his own version?

So tell me. How was Mary when she got pregnant?
On what day was Jesus born?
On what day did Jesus die?
What did Jesus do before he turned 30?
Who were Jesus' relatives so that we can check on DNA?
Why don't Evangelicals pray at intensive care locations in hospitals instead of in church? Is it because critically sick people can't write them a check?

I look forward to hearing your inspired explanations.
Science is very flawed if it wasn’t flawed it would not change. Science maintains a lot of stances that anyone with common sense knows is not true. How many more times is science going to change it’s stance on what causes cancer? You asking a million and 1 question I’m not answering them all just ask me the one that is most important to you
 

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Science is very flawed if it wasn’t flawed it would not change. Science maintains a lot of stances that anyone with common sense knows is not true. How many more times is science going to change it’s stance on what causes cancer? You asking a million and 1 question I’m not answering them all just ask me the one that is most important to you
Never mind, you believe the Bible is infallible although it clearly described the earth as flat.

So tell us where is the original Bible so we know that is the correct version.

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Never mind, you believe the Bible is infallible although it clearly described the earth as flat. You don't believe in science, you believe what you want.

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So if God is real you want him to perform a miracle to prove he is real, and then when he performs a miracle to prove he is real you don’t believe it.

and no the Bible never mentions the earth being flat that is just a meme you read on Facebook .

man’s ironic you claim that not one historian wrote about it when you are literally quoting Matthew a historian who wrote about it. You clearly have some cognitive dissonance going on cuz there is not one scripture that says the earth is flat.


I didn’t know a fact is true or false based off of how many historians claim.
Now what about the historians that will confirm the wars mentioned in the Bible? Augustus Caesar? Mentioned in the Bible. So he is fake or real?
 

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So if God is real you want him to perform a miracle to prove he is real, and then when he performs a miracle to prove he is real you don’t believe it.

and no the Bible never mentions the earth being flat that is just a meme you read on Facebook .

man’s ironic you claim that not one historian wrote about it when you are literally quoting Matthew a historian who wrote about it. You clearly have some cognitive dissonance going on cuz there is not one scripture that says the earth is flat.


I didn’t know a fact is true or false based off of how many historians claim.
Now what about the historians that will confirm the wars mentioned in the Bible? Augustus Caesar? Mentioned in the Bible. So he is fake or real?

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not the names of the authors of the Gospels. How do you not know this?

Again, NOT ONE CONTEMPORARY HISTORIAN WROTE ABOUT THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS.

It was all fabricated decades later.
Paul the Apostle never met Jesus in person, only heard voices on his way to Damascus. In this day and age, he'd be put on serious medication.

I repeat, Matthew was not a real person.
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Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not the names of the authors of the Gospels. How do you not know this?

Again, NOT ONE CONTEMPORARY HISTORIAN WROTE ABOUT THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS.

It was all fabricated decades later.
Paul the Apostle never met Jesus in person, only heard voices on his way to Damascus. In this day and age, he'd be put on serious medication.

I repeat, Matthew was not a real person. View attachment 2497347
Who said I didn’t know this?
 

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Science is very flawed if it wasn’t flawed it would not change. Science maintains a lot of stances that anyone with common sense knows is not true. How many more times is science going to change it’s stance on what causes cancer? You asking a million and 1 question I’m not answering them all just ask me the one t
If science is so flawed as you say, how it it that it wiped out polio? Smallpox? This only happened because of science laboratories, not churches.
 

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Who said I didn’t know this? Are you implying they had Hebrew names and that their names are translated or that the real authors are someone else? And if so no they are real. And you need to provide me with the real authors if you saying you know who the authors are
 

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If science is so flawed as you say, how it it that it wiped out polio? Smallpox? This only happened because of science laboratories, not churches.
Flawed does not mean it has no value. It is flawed. The scientific method is flawed. Western science is very flawed doesn’t matter what cure it has produced
 

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The moment you referred to Matthew as a historian, you showed that you did not know Matthew was not a real person.

man’s ironic you claim that not one historian wrote about it when you are literally quoting Matthew a historian who wrote about it.

You clearly have some cognitive dissonance going on cuz there is not one scripture that says the earth is flat.
I guess you haven't read the Bible. There are fundamentalist Christians who believe the earth is flat and GUESS WHERE THEY GOT THAT FROM?
 

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The moment you referred to Matthew as a historian, you showed that you did not know Matthew was not a real person.




I guess you haven't read the Bible. There are fundamentalist Christians who believe the earth is flat and GUESS WHERE THEY GOT THAT FROM?
I have read the Bible. I don’t care what misconceptions others may have reading the same book as I have. I can’t control what someone believes. Matthew was a real person so again if he was not the author who was? The book fell out the sky?
 

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I have read the Bible. I don’t care what misconceptions others may have reading the same book as I have. I can’t control what someone believes. Matthew was a real person so again if he was not the author who was? The book fell out the sky?
You have not read the Bible. You also have not answered my main question:
Where is the ORIGINAL Bible?

And here you are contradicting yourself.
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You have not read the Bible. You also have not answered my main question:
Where is the ORIGINAL Bible?

And here you are contradicting yourself.
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Just answered your question.
See the edit. There is no original Bible because it was written at different times. Different books written at different times.

No contradiction at all. See my edited post of the same thing you quoted. Again if Matthew is not the author who is?
 

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Flawed does not mean it has no value. It is flawed. The scientific method is flawed. Western science is very flawed doesn’t matter what cure it has produced
OK, since you say science is flawed, answer this:

You believe in prayer, right?

QUESTION: If your child had a serious medical condition that needed complex surgery to save her life, and you had the choice of prayer from your Pastor or the hospital surgeon, which would you choose if the doctor said your child's only chance of survival was surgery but there was no guarantee.

What would you choose?
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OK, since you say science is flawed, answer this:

You believe in prayer, right?

QUESTION: If your child had a serious medical condition that needed complex surgery to save her life, and you had the choice of prayer from your Pastor or the hospital surgeon, which would you choose if the doctor said your child's only chance of survival was surgery but there was no guarantee.

What would you choose?
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I asked you a question if you not going to answer any questions don’t ask any questions. I have asked you this question at least 3 times

Who wrote the book of Matthew of Matthew didn’t exist?
 

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Just answered your question.
See the edit. There is no original Bible because it was written at different times. Different books written at different times.

No contradiction at all. See my edited post of the same thing you quoted. Again if Matthew is not the author who is?
Where are the original copies that were compiled to create the Bible?
That is the question you are avoiding.

There us no such person called Mathew who wrote the Gospel with that name. That person did not exist. Matthew, Mark and Luke's gospels are copied from each other. John's is different. How come?
 

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I asked you a question if you not going to answer any questions don’t ask any questions. I have asked you this question at least 3 times

Who wrote the book of Matthew of Matthew didn’t exist?

I thought it was obvious that it was anonymously written and copied from each other. The SYNOPTIC Gospels are copied from each other. Matthew, Mark and Luke.
 

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I asked you a question if you not going to answer any questions don’t ask any questions. I have asked you this question at least 3 times

Who wrote the book of Matthew of Matthew didn’t exist?
I have answered your question. The synoptic gospels (which include Matthew) were anonymous writers. NO ONE knows who they were.

Now, answer my question about just how much you believe in prayer to save a child's life.
 

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I thought it was obvious that it was anonymously written and copied from each other. The SYNOPTIC Gospels are copied from each other. Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Ok finally. Took like 3 tries but you at least admitted you don’t know.

and no scholar biblically or non biblically says the book of Matthew was written by a anonymous person. That is something you just made up just now.

so now I can proceed to answering your question

where are the original copies? I don’t know. Neither do you. Original copies aren’t held as prestigious as they are here in America so there is no need to preserve the original if there are several thousand copies.

do you know where the original copy of the art of war by sun tzu is?
 

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I have answered your question. The synoptic gospels (which include Matthew) were anonymous writers. NO ONE knows who they were.

Now, answer my question about just how much you believe in prayer to save a child's life.
I don’t know. In some cases no amount of prayer can change the destiny God has planned. Not sure where you going but this is not a hard question.
 

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I don’t know. In some cases no amount of prayer can change the destiny God has planned. Not sure where you going but this is not a hard question.
Answer the question properly.

Would you dismiss the chance of the "FLAWED SCIENCE" (as you consider science to be) being the only chance to save your child's life

or

would you go with prayer and leave it to god's will?

Remember, multiple doctors are unanimous that without surgery, your child will die. With flawed science, your child has a chance at recovery.

Prayer or surgery?
God's will or flawed science?
 

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Ok finally. Took like 3 tries but you at least admitted you don’t know.

and no scholar biblically or non biblically says the book of Matthew was written by a anonymous person. That is something you just made up just now.

so now I can proceed to answering your question

where are the original copies? I don’t know. Neither do you. Original copies aren’t held as prestigious as they are here in America so there is no need to preserve the original if there are several thousand copies.

do you know where the original copy of the art of war by sun tzu is?

What you don't know is that I have spent decades researching the Bible. And LOTS of historians have said no such people as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John existed.

NO, I did not make up anything. The Bible is made up, and so is Jesus. No one knows anything about Jesus before the age of 30. There is not one bit of residue to support his existence. They made up the Shroud of Turin. Science is debunking all this fiction.

When was Jesus born? When did he die? No one knows, just made up dates to fit into history that was recorded that Jesus was inserted into. His death was so spectacular yet not one contemporary historian wrote about it.

Oh yes, and his mother was a 14 year old virgin. LOL science sure is flawed if a young virgin girl, a child herself, can give birth in ancient times in unsanitary conditions. How did a full term live baby come out of a virgin with only an old man in attendance?
 

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