18 years: Was it a relationship or friendship?

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So Ive been combing the Ladies in MJ's Life threads and ran across sonething interesting. And it made me wanna ask this question. When Flo Anthony was intervied a few years ago by some fans and they asked her about Debbie Rowe and her response was she told them that Debbie told her she and MJ had 18 years together in a relationship. I'm not sure if she stated friendship but I'm pretty sure she said 18 year old relationship . . . BEFORE THEY GOT MARRIED!

I don't know bout yall but that left me feeling sone type of way and wanting to ask questions. Like if yall met 18 years before you got married then that makes the year 1978 which means yall were still teenagers. Then my other question is if yall met in 1978 that would mean you were working for Dr. Frankenklein for a year because she started working for him right after she got out of high school. Now I'm asking another question which is how did the two of you get involved so early on because according to records and papers and things MJ didn't meet Dr. Frankenklein until 1982 . . . through Liz Taylor.

All I wanna know is if it is true then everything is not adding up and if its not adding up then how can it be true, unless it was done purposly that way. Yall know MJ never wanted folks all up in his bizness like that. Lol. But what I'm saying is there possibly may be some truth to it because Flo said she told her 18 years and that it wasn't second or third hand knowledge. I figure why would Flo lie? And why else would she lie about saying Remember the Time is also about her. When Teddy Riley siddenly changed his mind about it being so and telling everybody that he didn't say it I side eyed him. Like really Teddy. You were quoted as saying it in some magazine back in 96, I think it was called Sister to Sister something like that all I know is I remeber reading it and thought it odd that he would say such a thing but now I'm basically like dude if you're telling everybody you didn't say that then I'm like NOBODY ASKED YOU. And anyway how did you even know it was about Debbie? According to you MJ told you all about his relationship and the problems they were having hence why you came up with the tune.

Wanna know something else . . . he also produced Can't Let. Her Get Away and Don't Walk Away. 10 year age difference is what they have in common besides Mr. Riley. Again all I'm trying to get at is the truth and that maybe just maybe this woman who sired him 3 beautiful (yes got damnit I SAID 3!) babies meant a lot more than what was justhanded down to us as fact. I really wanna know just how far back do they really go.

Questions? Comments? Concerns?
 
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Another thing I left out. She was working for Frankenklein back in 1977 and that's the year he arrived to town but then according to that article about him for being a fraud he didn't meet MJ until 1982. So basically she was working for him for 5 years until Liz introduced him to Frankenklein. What I'm getting at is if this is true then how was she his nurse if they met after she left high school? And we were always told when MJ met Frankenklein he met het too.

Not if there's a 5 year gap! So that means either the article about good ole doc is lying or. . . they both were. . .

Btw wasn't Frankenklein's original background for skin disorders like I don't know acne. I'm saying cuz if he didn't reach him until years later, then who was treating him for his ailments. Just a thought.
 
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Everyone knows that Debbie and MJ weren't in a relationship. They were barely friends. More like acquaintances. He paid her to have those kids. She was off to live the good life after they were born.

Why do people insist on making it more than what it was? IMO, Debbie was an opportunist like every other snake in Mike's life. What kind of person offers to have a married man's child? If she really cared about him she would've encouraged him to talk to his wife and work it out. She said she knew how much Michael loved Lisa.
 
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Everyone knows that Debbie and MJ weren't in a relationship. They were barely friends. More like acquaintances. He paid her to have those kids. She was off to live the good life after they were born.

Why do people insist on making it more than what it was? IMO, Debbie was an opportunist like every other snake in Mike's life. What kind of person offers to have a married man's child? If she really cared about him she would've encouraged him to talk to his wife and work it out. She said she knew how much Michael loved Lisa.

Agree. Debbie was a surrogate.
 
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Everyone knows that Debbie and MJ weren't in a relationship. They were barely friends. More like acquaintances. He paid her to have those kids. She was off to live the good life after they were born.

Why do people insist on making it more than what it was? IMO, Debbie was an opportunist like every other snake in Mike's life. What kind of person offers to have a married man's child? If she really cared about him she would've encouraged him to talk to his wife and work it out. She said she knew how much Michael loved Lisa.

However you don’t take it under consideration that Debbie probably loved Michael more than Lisa did. He just wasn’t in love with her but she was always in the background. Look at behind the scenes of Oprah interview video. It clearly shows she was close to him and comfortable in his environment. And stop with very misleading claims she was being paid for the children. She didn’t plan to merry him. They married for the reason. He proposed, she agreed. There are consequences for the richer spouse in case of divorce. His payment was very low in comparison with the alimony payments by men who were half of MJ’s net worth.
 
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However you don’t take it under consideration that Debbie probably loved Michael more than Lisa did. He just wasn’t in love with her but she was always in the background. Look at behind the scenes of Oprah interview video. It clearly shows she was close to him and comfortable in his environment. And stop with very misleading claims she was being paid for the children. She didn’t plan to merry him. They married for the reason. He proposed, she agreed. There are consequences for the richer spouse in case of divorce. His payment was very low in comparison with the alimony payments by men who were half of MJ’s net worth.

Stop praising Debbie she was aware of his propofol use and did nothing to help him she also tried suing for custody in 2005 and stopped when she was paid off she never loved him she was just another leech in his life both Lisa and Debbie were not right for Michael and low key racist
 
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Stop praising Debbie she was aware of his propofol use and did nothing to help him she also tried suing for custody in 2005 and stopped when she was paid off she never loved him she was just another leech in his life both Lisa and Debbie were not right for Michael and low key racist

What about some objectivity? It takes 2 for a tango, in this case even 3 of them. No one of them is less guilty than the other creating the relationship’s mess, lol. But on the serious note their story is just tragic lack of luck in long lasting and happy love story. Which for sure all 3 of them desired. Great story for the future movie...
 
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If Flo was telling the truth, then no you can't trust the timeline that has been put out there. I always find it hard to separate PR from truth when it comes to Mike.
 
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If Flo was telling the truth, then no you can't trust the timeline that has been put out there. I always find it hard to separate PR from truth when it comes to Mike.
You were the only one who stayed on topic. I happen to agree which is why I asked the question in the first place.
 
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However you don’t take it under consideration that Debbie probably loved Michael more than Lisa did. He just wasn’t in love with her but she was always in the background. Look at behind the scenes of Oprah interview video. It clearly shows she was close to him and comfortable in his environment. And stop with very misleading claims she was being paid for the children. She didn’t plan to merry him. They married for the reason. He proposed, she agreed. There are consequences for the richer spouse in case of divorce. His payment was very low in comparison with the alimony payments by men who were half of MJ’s net worth.
I agree except the following about his love for her. I don't think you can dismiss that so quickly. There were a lot of things
going on that made them break apart and I think Don't Walk Away reflects that. I never actually doubted they weren't a part of each other's lives I just wanted to know the real timeline.
 
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Everyone knows that Debbie and MJ weren't in a relationship. They were barely friends. More like acquaintances. He paid her to have those kids. She was off to live the good life after they were born.

Why do people insist on making it more than what it was? IMO, Debbie was an opportunist like every other snake in Mike's life. What kind of person offers to have a married man's child? If she really cared about him she would've encouraged him to talk to his wife and work it out. She said she knew how much Michael loved Lisa.
Why did you even respond? Can you not read? The topic was about their relationship of 18 years not some bull shot you got from trash mags. Damn. Can't even make a simple thread and have a real conversation about the situation.
 
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As for the rest of yall. I don't know what the hell you were on about but if you feel like you can't have an actual discussion and contribute anything of significance to the conversation then please do not engage. I don't want to hear about the fuckery of that ******** fugly ass bitch and about how she's the only real love of his life. AS IF! And I sure as hell don't want to hear about Ms. Rowr being a surrogate and gold digger. First of all surrogates don't get proposed to on a daily basis, nor do they get to go on tours three times and share stories of a lifetime with someone who clearly meant more than just a basket full of eggs. Which reminds me . . .

Let me address something. Yall do realize this woman gave birth three times back to back? Which means she never got the chance to break or breathe in between pregnancies and not to mention het last two were extremely difficult. She said so herself. And she almost died. They both did. Yall wanna claim he didn't give a damn about her. . .

READ THE LETTER.

Don't bother asking what letter because it's been mentioned too many times and posted on damn near every MJ board available so don't act like you don't know. All I was trying to do was ask a question about something that was intriguing to me and it made me want to find out more about their life together but you know what I can see why he kept this to himself and why she defends their memories and keeps them to herself as well.

Some muthafuckas can't deal.
 
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They met in 1982. When their friendship away from Dr. Klein’s office started, no one but them knows.

Per the artist, Ronald Cowan, Debbie is in a 1991 painting that MJ commissioned. Look at it. It’s 100% her. The artist said MJ told him he knew a nurse and something magical was going to happen with her. “Magic” was the best compliment MJ gave anyone. 1991 is well before LMP even entered the damn picture. The artist when recollecting assumed it was the surrogacy, but that’s 5 years before it actually occurred.

I firmly believe Rowe and Jackson had a solid friendship and she was someone very special to him, not just a uterus. The uterus was the mother of his third child.
 

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