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AAVE is not ghetto, bad english, improper english or english of the uneducated.

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Some people of all races, unfortunately even Black people feel that this type of English is bad, ghetto, improper, or the language of the uneducated.

It's not.

For educational purposes.



Racism would have some people thinking you're stupid just because you speak differently. Imagine that.
 

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I wish I could post in the African American forum, I was planning on posting this as well. One of my comments in that video has over hundreds of likes because I was so surprised that credible linguists formally recognize AAVE as a form of dialectical english.

I believe AAVE has similarities to Geechee English as well.
 

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My capstone is lightweight about this.

Its about sociolinguistics and perceptual dialectology. Since I'm AA, AAVE will naturally be a part of it
 

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Exactly, it has a beautiful flow and rhythm. No one says the same demeaning thing about Patois, Cockney, but for some reason folks want to be triggered over AAVE.
 

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There have been psychological studies proving AAVE does not make u dumber or ghetto.

Kids who speak AAVE are just as capable in expressing high level analysis just as they would in standard English.
 

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I think black people know that. I have 2 different languages. Job speak which is not AAVE and Southern AAVE. Unfortunately, I wouldn't have gotten my jobs if I spoke AAVE.
 

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I will never forget during the height of the debate on AAVE/Ebonics an article ran here from I believe it was Creative Loafing about politics and the changing electorate, and two of Georgia's finest mobile home owners of the unwashed variety were saying something to the effect of AAVE essentially existing because black people were too "lazy to learn English". Quite an ironic statement when as a person who grew up in rural Georgia. more than a few of the albescent people born and raised here seemed to be speaking English as a second language.

My father's father was one of the most intelligent men I have ever known, he used his crops, animals, and land to explain mathematical concepts to us that were way beyond what we were learning in school. And he primarily spoke Gullah.
 

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AAVE is really a patois / Creole language. I wish people would take pride in our global Black history and stop letting ffffff tell you otherwise.
 

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AAVE is really a patois / Creole language. I wish people would take pride in our global Black history and stop letting ffffff tell you otherwise.
AAVE has similarities but it's def not the same as Patois but I understand why people think this. I dated this Haitian guy last year who migrated here 2 years ago and he told me we sound Patois. He said that in some instances we speak too fast and he had a hard time understanding us
 

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AAVE has similarities but it's def not the same as Patois but I understand why people think this. I dated this Haitian guy last year who migrated here 2 years ago and he told me we sound Patois. He said that in some instances we speak too fast and he had a hard time understanding us


In the categorization of English languages both Patois and AAVE are classified as creole languages.

" Standard English" consist of the popular spoken version of the 6 native-speaking English countries. AAVE, like Patois and Indian English, are indigenous products of
slavery/ colonization.
 

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In the categorization of English languages both Patois and AAVE are classified as creole languages.

" Standard English" consist of the popular spoken version of the 6 native-speaking English countries. AAVE, like Patois and Indian English, are indigenous products of
slavery/ colonization.
Wow Ive never known this and people are so silly to say we don't have culture and we are so different from other black people in the diaspora.
 

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I did notice that some things Carriben say we say too like for example the "d" at the begininng of certian words like there-dea, this-dis, and there-dea.

even the word girl we both say guh. Guh is used esp here in the south because I say it all the time.
 

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Wow Ive never known this and people are so silly to say we don't have culture and we are so different from other black people in the diaspora.


Unfortunately for me my masters is about this topic so I've been learning a little to much about it.

But AAVE is directly related, dare I say at the forefront, of the diaspora. US is the global taste maker. When AAVE and ADOS rights & culture are legitimate, it sees a precedent a trinkle down effect for other English speaking technical minorities to be legitimized too.


Sidenote: This is also why jumping ahead to Asian rights is ineffective and won't work for them or anyone else. Their is a hierarchy. People know the real order of authority and priority of real nativeness. You cant skip ahead or jump the line without first rectifying issues that already exist within the original order in the chain of command
 
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Many Black people have explained this. But now that the White Man is repeating what Black people have been saying it will be accepted. SMH.

Just like Tim Wise getting praise for saying exactly what Dr. Frances Cress Welsing said.
 
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AAVE has similarities but it's def not the same as Patois but I understand why people think this. I dated this Haitian guy last year who migrated here 2 years ago and he told me we sound Patois. He said that in some instances we speak too fast and he had a hard time understanding us
But Haitians don’t speak Patois. Haitian Creole is a language with grammar and syntax, though relatively a new language created in the “new world”.

It not the same as Jamaican patios which they refer to as slang/dialect of the English language
 

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It is though. I invite you to use AAVE at a job interview, and see if you get hired. I don't know any educated person that uses AAVE, at or off work. Heck, you don't even have to be educated, just be well read lol.
 
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But Haitians don’t speak Patois. Haitian Creole is a language with grammar and syntax, though relatively a new language created in the “new world”.

It not the same as Jamaican patios which they refer to as slang/dialect of the English language


I was referring to Jamaican Patois. I always find it strange how people just forget about Jamaica. Like in all the papers I've read about different types of English I see Nigeria and China ll the time, almost never see Jamaica. Its weird to me because when I think of alternative English India and Jamaica are the first that come to mind.
 

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It is though. I invite you to use AAVE, and see if you get hired in a job interview. I don't know any educated person that uses AAVE, at or off work. Heck, you don't even have to be educated, just be well read lol.


You don't know any educated people that use AAVE off work? I find that extremely hard to believe.
 

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You don't know any educated people that use AAVE off work? I find that extremely hard to believe.
No I don't. I'm suburban, and the people I was raised around (and currently surrounded by) don't really use AAVE. This goes for the non-educated for the most part as well.
 
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NOPE! I find myself explaining this to whytes all the time. Just because I use Ebonics doesn’t mean I’m ignorant. It really depends on who I’m talking to but I code switch with the best of them. I work in a job where I have to know how to talk to all kinds of people from all races and walks of life so it’s essential. However, my whyte colleagues are always surprised when they first meet me and I’m so “WeLl SpOkEn”. Like just say you’re prejudiced and move along Molly.
 

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It is though. I invite you to use AAVE at a job interview, and see if you get hired. I don't know any educated person that uses AAVE, at or off work. Heck, you don't even have to be educated, just be well read lol.
I do. Lol. Im certified with 3 degrees baby and will use southern black talk all day around my place
 

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That’s why Saturday Night Live needs to be canceled for that racist ass skit on AAVE and to find out a black man wrote it too smh
I been through with Michael Che. If people watched the show regularly, like I used to, they'd know how he is on the weekend update segment. He don't care about being black. He has even said such. So that tells you everything.
 

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Yes, AAVE is a real and proper thing. But please stop acting like we invented something new--we just expanded on a language that already existed. Other races/cultures have done the same.
 

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I finally watched this video.

Thanks OP for posting!

I actually needed this for school in real time lol

I've been trying to think of academic phrasing for AAVE and Baltimorese. People often say Baltimoreans sounds like a mix of British English or South African and Southern. I guess there's truth to that. Apparently Mid-Atlantic aka Philly/Bmore English is closest to the original British version
 
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English isn't even proper most of the time. Shot barely makes sense lol

I wish somebody would correct my slang. Tell them to spell both Kansas and Arkansas then say both words....then tell them to smd
 

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Exactly, it has a beautiful flow and rhythm. No one says the same demeaning thing about Patois, Cockney, but for some reason folks want to be triggered over AAVE.

No one says the same about patois?

Are you kidding me? Do you know Jamaican people? Patois is considered "low class" and "country" and is not spoken by the upper class or "uptown" people due to them thinking it represents uneducated people...especially the older ones. They tell the kids to "speak properly" ALL the time and it is not considered proper English.
 

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I think black people know that. I have 2 different languages. Job speak which is not AAVE and Southern AAVE. Unfortunately, I wouldn't have gotten my jobs if I spoke AAVE.

Well your job is a business setting. And America has chosen to use standardize English in business settings.
 
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I will never forget during the height of the debate on AAVE/Ebonics an article ran here from I believe it was Creative Loafing about politics and the changing electorate, and two of Georgia's finest mobile home owners of the unwashed variety were saying something to the effect of AAVE essentially existing because black people were too "lazy to learn English". Quite an ironic statement when as a person who grew up in rural Georgia. more than a few of the albescent people born and raised here seemed to be speaking English as a second language.

My father's father was one of the most intelligent men I have ever known, he used his crops, animals, and land to explain mathematical concepts to us that were way beyond what we were learning in school. And he primarily spoke Gullah.
Also considering the Southern accents they have are also considered low class and in some cases of low intelligence to the point where white people will train themselves out of the accent.
 

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It is though. I invite you to use AAVE at a job interview, and see if you get hired. I don't know any educated person that uses AAVE, at or off work. Heck, you don't even have to be educated, just be well read lol.

It's sad that you spew such ignorance.

There are people who actually study language and can tell you that what you stated is incorrect.

I feel bad that you believe what racism has taught you.

As far as job settings, yes standard English is used because there are different dialects And for the sake of understanding, one language has to be used.
 

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No one says the same about patois?

Are you kidding me? Do you know Jamaican people? Patois is considered "low class" and "country" and is not spoken by the upper class or "uptown" people due to them thinking it represents uneducated people...especially the older ones. They tell the kids to "speak properly" ALL the time and it is not considered proper English.
This is interesting!!! I did not know this. Thank you. I was under the impression it was a generational thing and all Jamaicans spoke it.
 

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It's sad that you spew such ignorance.

There are people who actually study language and can tell you that what you stated is incorrect.

I feel bad that you believe what racism has taught you.

As far as job settings, yes standard English is used because there are different dialects And for the sake of understanding, one language has to be used.
It's a pity that you're so ignorant that you genuinely believe that AAVE is a language lol. It's a dialect, and one not all black people use because everyone isn't from the South (thank God).
 

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Also considering the Southern accents they have are also considered low class and in some cases of low intelligence to the point where white people will train themselves out of the accent.
This. Pretty much all Southern accents are considered low class and uneducated.
 

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I don't view AAVE (African American Vernacular English) as "Ghetto".

I understand it's a different form of communication style.

Even though I'm a Black person, who grew up and lives in The States.

I ain't ashamed to admit.
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I'm still learning different styles of expressing myself. Lol!
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