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Can We Talk The Teen R&B Influence on the Teen Pop movement??

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This made me stop and think

Britney literally says Brandy influenced her

When I think of Brandy’s blueprint from the music. dolls, the tv appearances, & the Girl Next Door image branding. Never Say Never was a mega era
 
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Yup, and the New Editions, Boyz II Men, and Jodecis that gave us New Kids, BSB and Nsyncs. LOL.
 

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Yup, and the New Editions, Boyz II Men, and Jodecis that gave us New Kids, BSB and Nsyncs. LOL.
Yeah I was gonna type that but it felt like a lot so thank you lmao..I wonder if Brandy dropped another project in like 2000 how it would’ve fared commercially
 

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Wow you can really hear it in What a Girl Wants.

You are absolutely right. I was a kid so I didn’t notice it at the time but they def copied off the Brandy, Monica, Aaliyah rivalry
 

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sh!t. we can take this back to elvis.
All American music started with "old negro spirituals", gospel, the blues, soul, R&B
Pop is just watered down R&B, or watered down disco/dance, always has been.
 

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Never say never was released summer 98, Baby one more time song was released September 1998... no record execs were sitting around with a notepad and pen following Never say never "blueprint" to get the ball rolling with Britney.

Labels wanted backstreet boys nsync spice Girls sales from a group not brandy sales, hence why the labels passed on signing britney.

If they were so keen on britney to have a brandy sound, why they made her change her natural low sultry voice to high pitch?

It's delusional to think record execs needed Brandys blueprint to determine a lily white girl pushing 30 million units off 1 album should be on TV , movies, and getting endorsements. Idk why were reaching for white validation when Brandys actual impact in the r&b arena is more than great
 

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I can almost never tell when a yt artist is trying to copy a black one. Once I realize I start laughing because the imitation is embarrassing lol.
 

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This is common knowledge. Even some of the songs are left over tracks like how TLC originally had "Baby One More Time" but passed and it was given to Britney.
 

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Never say never was released summer 98, Baby one more time song was released September 1998... no record execs were sitting around with a notepad and pen following Never say never "blueprint" to get the ball rolling with Britney.

Labels wanted backstreet boys nsync spice Girls sales from a group not brandy sales, hence why the labels passed on signing britney.

If they were so keen on britney to have a brandy sound, why they made her change her natural low sultry voice to high pitch?

It's delusional to think record execs needed Brandys blueprint to determine a lily white girl pushing 30 million units off 1 album should be on TV , movies, and getting endorsements. Idk why were reaching for white validation when Brandys actual impact in the r&b arena is more than great
I think this thread is more about the concept of the industry taking ideas from black teen pop stars like Aaliyah, Brandy, Destiny's Child, etc. and putting using them for white teen artists.
 

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This is the very reason why the only 90s teen explosion that counts is
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with the teen queen and king being
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That said, it wouldn't be right if I didn't mention the stars that paved the way for them
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(yes, I know that they debuted in the late 80s, but their heyday was as teen stars in the 90s)
 

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This is the very reason why the only 90s teen explosion that counts is
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with the teen queen and king being
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That said, it wouldn't be right if I didn't mention the stars that paved the way for them
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Tevin-Campbell-young.jpg


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(yes, I know that they debuted in the late 80s, but their heyday was as teen stars in the 90s)
Thank you for mentioning these others....I wondered if the OP had the thread title of "Can We Talk" as a tribute to Tevin Campbell
 

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I think this thread is more about the concept of the industry taking ideas from black teen pop stars like Aaliyah, Brandy, Destiny's Child, etc. and putting using them for white teen artists.

And destiny's child, aaliyah, brandy, share the copyright of the idea of being 16 years old with a record deal ?

What ideas were these people white artists & execs taking from brandy?
 

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The eighties made way for the black artists of the nineties took off. It was the nineties race issues for bad or good it was being talked about, more blk artists than ever. Then these white girl pop stars took over the early 2000s. Race relations and talk took to the back burner to make way for these waste of time poptarts for the past 10 years or so. Now 2020 we're seeing a resurgence of black issues again. We are getting back on track with BLM more media representation of blk people in the biggest corperations, we're picking up from 1990s where we left off.
 

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I'd like to think OP did, especially since Tevin was--and still remains--my teen dream. :love
I'm glad Ava Duvernay said she was going to cast him in a project after he was clowned for something on social media. Tevin had some hits back in his day. Glad he's getting a chance to do something else. Anybody know what project it is he's going to be in?
 

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This is common knowledge. Even some of the songs are left over tracks like how TLC originally had "Baby One More Time" but passed and it was given to Britney.
Now that I knew. I always wonder how TLC woulda executed that, Where My Girls At and Heartbreak Hotel
 

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This is the very reason why the only 90s teen explosion that counts is
maxresdefault.jpg

with the teen queen and king being
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That said, it wouldn't be right if I didn't mention the stars that paved the way for them
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Tevin-Campbell-young.jpg


60509601_2044655575663886_6632335190641671081_n-e1560621141440.jpg

(yes, I know that they debuted in the late 80s, but their heyday was as teen stars in the 90s)
I love you for bringing this up. I always think about this class and their pop peers like Tiffany & Debbie Gibson
 

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I love you for bringing this up. I always think about this class and their pop peers like Tiffany & Debbie Gibson
Shanice, Tevin, and Tracie were the first Black (solo) teen singers that I'd gotten into because they'd hit around the time that I started to develop individual musical taste (around 8 or 9 years old).

Not to take anything away from Monica, Aaliyah, and Brandy's successes at all, but it's always been a little bittersweet to me that Tracie and Shanice didn't reach the level of success that they paved the way for those girls to have.
 

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Apparently the same person who was responsible for New Edition was involved with NKOTB. Both groups being from Boston...
It's even worse than that. The two groups lived in neighborhoods that were right beside one another.

Due to the new bussing implications to desegregate schools, those kids ended up having to travel to different neighborhoods in Boston, which would cause parents and children to throw stones at the busses, and carry knives with them. 4 of the New Kids went to school in Roxbury from Kindergarten, and some of the New Edition guys went to school in Dorchester and other white areas.

Maurice Starr intentionally chose "ghetto" white guys who interacted with "black culture" every day. One of the guys was specifically recruited to be in the group to sound like Michael/Jackson, and when that didn't work (sounded too white), his leads diminished significantly.
 

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I think this thread is more about the concept of the industry taking ideas from black teen pop stars like Aaliyah, Brandy, Destiny's Child, etc. and putting using them for white teen artists.
Don't put Destiny's Child in that category, pretending as if Beyonce influenced Britney. (And Britney was already in the entertainment industry/national tv before Beyonce as well)

Destiny's Child themselves took from acts before them.
 

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It's even worse than that. The two groups lived in neighborhoods that were right beside one another.

Due to the new bussing implications to desegregate schools, those kids ended up having to travel to different neighborhoods in Boston, which would cause parents and children to throw stones at the busses, and carry knives with them. 4 of the New Kids went to school in Roxbury from Kindergarten, and some of the New Edition guys went to school in Dorchester and other white areas.

Maurice Starr intentionally chose "ghetto" white guys who interacted with "black culture" every day. One of the guys was specifically recruited to be in the group to sound like Michael/Jackson, and when that didn't work (sounded too white), his leads diminished significantly.
I cannot imagine how terrifying it must have been for the guys from New Edition to go to school to the other side of town. Black people tend to be more welcoming to outsiders so I wonder how the NKOTB kids fared.

Is Dorchester in that area they call "Southie"? I heard that was a hostile area back in the day and blacks didn't go there.

Can you clarify what you meant by his leads diminished significantly? That last part you wrote tells me why they had Donnie Wahlberg at the forefront since he came across as more "street" than the others.
 

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Don't put Destiny's Child in that category, pretending as if Beyonce influenced Britney. (And Britney was already in the entertainment industry/national tv before Beyonce as well)

Destiny's Child themselves took from acts before them.
Some fonts think the universe didn't exist until Beyawnce said so.....
 

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I cannot imagine how terrifying it must have been for the guys from New Edition to go to school to the other side of town. Black people tend to be more welcoming to outsiders so I wonder how the NKOTB kids fared.

Is Dorchester in that area they call "Southie"? I heard that was a hostile area back in the day and blacks didn't go there.

Can you clarify what you meant by his leads diminished significantly? That last part you wrote tells me why they had Donnie Wahlberg at the forefront since he came across as more "street" than the others.
I think it was. The area was, and is still notoriously racist, as there are a bunch of trash white people who blamed black people for their issues.


Joey sounded like a white guy; broadway, Frank Sinatra-like vocal. He was supposed to be the "Mike" and "Ralph" on their first album. When it came to their second album, he got less leads, and Jordan became the main lead (he didn't sound black, but his voice was better for the material Maurice wanted). Even Donnie's off-key vocal got more leads than Joey.

Out of all the singles he was on, all of them were shared leads, and not solo leads.
 

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Don't put Destiny's Child in that category, pretending as if Beyonce influenced Britney. (And Britney was already in the entertainment industry/national tv before Beyonce as well)

Destiny's Child themselves took from acts before them.
Where did I say that she influenced Britney?
 

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I think it was. The area was, and is still notoriously racist, as there are a bunch of trash white people who blamed black people for their issues.


Joey sounded like a white guy; broadway, Frank Sinatra-like vocal. He was supposed to be the "Mike" and "Ralph" on their first album. When it came to their second album, he got less leads, and Jordan became the main lead (he didn't sound black, but his voice was better for the material Maurice wanted). Even Donnie's off-key vocal got more leads than Joey.

Out of all the singles he was on, all of them were shared leads, and not solo leads.
Yeah Joey sounded a bit "soulful" in this song below....it sounds like that late 80s new wave sound with R&B in it.
 

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Where did I say that she influenced Britney?

You didn't. Some of these fonts get triggered anytime "Destiny's Child" or "Beyoncé" is mentioned. They short circuit.

That said, I'm sure that white execs and managers saw the success of the teen R&B stars that thrived in the early to mid 90s with grunge and gangsta rap and took notes. They always do.
 

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Well, this thread sure triggered the white-identified folks out there, so good looking out, OP...lol.

I can't imagine being compelled to downplay the trailblazing successes of Black artists to elevate their poor man oyibo imitators.

To those of us who remember when the true 90s teen queens ruled, those sure were good times, weren't they?
 

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