What's the name of the murder mystery if you don't mind?@Nana Peazant
Could you please tag the good folks? It's on at 10pm tonight, but I'm gonna watch it on Demand tomorrow then post. Watching a murder mystery on HBO instead.
@Nana Peazant
Could you please tag the good folks? It's on at 10pm tonight, but I'm gonna watch it on Demand tomorrow then post. Watching a murder mystery on HBO instead.
Just watched season 1. Very interesting. I wonder if Alan and Evelyn(?) made it. I was hoping they had a breakthrough at the end of their sessions, but I could see them being one of those couples doomed to covid.
Season two coming Sunday. I was hoping to see the Black gay couple, but they seemed to be relegated to b-roll in the covid special.
Couples Therapy: Couples Therapy Season 2 Official Trailer | SHOWTIME
Thanks for letting us know! I enjoyed season 1.Season 2 is already available for a full binge on Showtime so all of you who binge please put SPOILERS if the show hasn't aired yet. Don't spoil us please!!
It's @oops that reminded me!Thanks for letting us know! I enjoyed season 1.
Michal and Michael have a deep friendship at least. It's interesting seeing their dynamic. What do you think of Dr. Orna's 30 minutes of pleasant conversation and 30 minutes of business homework?I watched on demand a little while ago. Look forward to y’all’s comments on the Jewish couple.
I wonder why Robot chose not to use birth control as a single mother. It's clear Ghost was just casual xes to her. Robot expressed the source of her frustration. She's a single woman living like a married woman and that's not the life she wanted for herself. She wants her freedom, independence and feels like Ghost just adds more responsibilities to her plate, like a third child. Ghost likes that she feels trapped because to him that means she won't leave him.robot & ghost: why did she keep the baby? she's a single mother with an intrusive f-ck buddy roommate child. as if ghost is a third needy person hanging off of her. she only has the capacity to be a mother, not a lover. it seems like she's bringing and holding on to what went wrong with her previous relationship. her walls are built up from the unresolved pain from her eldest child's father. i'm glad dr. orna held ghost accountable for not fully listening to her. let him tell it, he is a victim and robot's just a retaliating bully. this is why you gotta get to know someone before having a baby with them. but it says a lot that they both chose to have a child without getting to know each other well enough.
It seemed like 10 years ago when they first married, they were both fun loving people brought together by their shared faith. Ten years later Michal matured into becoming a wife, mother and most importantly Family Manager. Other than working, Michael is just along for the ride. That leaves a huge mental load for Michal to manage AND work AND raise their child AND trying to conceive. She's overwhelmed. His apathy hurts her feelings. It trips me out that Michal shares some of the same personality traits as her namesake.m&m: he comes off so apathetic. he doesn't care what she does. he married his mother - a woman he knew would take care of him; she married a child - a man she could nag, who lowkey sees her frustration and emotional outbursts as pure entertainment. she is exhausted. he's waiting for her to pull the trigger - find a wealthy orthodox jewish man who wants to take care of her and for her to be a SAHM. yeah, they need to re-learn how to communicate, but there's more to it. she wants what he can't give her anymore. she grew up and he didn't. i want her to brush her hair.
The Caretaker-Addict dynamic is their foundation. I wonder if they'll be able to uproot that and replace it with a healthy way to relate to each other. Oddly enough I was actually on the recovering addict's side about the weekend getaway. To me, it seems too soon for his sobriety. If anything, they should go away together to do some 'relationship work.' I can already tell that the dancer is used to having a salon, a group of friends always around and focusing on working on this relationship - without others around or involved - may be too much interpersonal work for him.g&m: mark has a big personality. he dominates the relationship. it's hard being in love with an addict. you're forced into a caregiver role and almost lose yourself in their addiction. and, addiction changes a person. they definitely will need to recalibrate their relationship, if they genuinely want it to work. it seems too soon for mark to be in a relationship. these two seem enmeshed. they should break up for a while because codependency - replacing alcohol with a person - can be destructive.
I wonder why Robot chose not to use birth control as a single mother. It's clear Ghost was just casual xes to her. Robot expressed the source of her frustration. She's a single woman living like a married woman and that's not the life she wanted for herself. She wants her freedom, independence and feels like Ghost just adds more responsibilities to her plate, like a third child. Ghost likes that she feels trapped because to him that means she won't leave him.
It trips me out that Michal shares some of the same personality traits as her namesake.
I can already tell that the dancer is used to having a salon, a group of friends always around and focusing on working on this relationship - without others around or involved - may be too much interpersonal work for him.
Oh I know why Ghost didn't use a condom. A tale as old as hobosexual time. He planned this so he could move in her place and get a wife & ready-made family without having to be a husband.well, let's also wonder why they both didn't use contraceptives before sleeping with each other. i understand her frustration, but shutting down and attacking back, doesn't set boundaries with this man. i think what shocked her was his insistence to live with her in order to be close to their son. he uses their child to trap her into a relationship with him, breaking her down slowly so that he has control and feels like The Man of the House. he is forcing a relationship with her and i don't like that.
He calculated that she wouldn't use protection. He's very transparent. Robot understands Ghost's scheme but feels trapped. She stopped the xes so she's no longer under his spell. These sessions may be her exit plan.one of the things i hope for robot is her to not lose herself in her frustration and resentment. i want her to liberate herself from being a robot and realize that she has more agency than she realizes. it feels like a taming of the shrew situation; however, the shrew doesn't need to be tamed, she needs to be freed. she needs to kick him out.
i don't think he gets that you can successfully co-parent without being in a romantic relationship with the mother. now, he may be doing this because of how he was raised, but since he wants to do it the "right" way, why didn't he do it respectfully - xes with protection, taking the time to get to know the woman, and then properly family plan together? i'm not here for his "nice guy" act.
their son is a cutie pie, though.
I don't think Michal & Michael will divorce. Their faith prevents that. They will be doing this same cycle 40 years from now if they can't learn new behaviors but they won't divorce. It will interesting to figure out what Michael fears about maturation. It seems like he fears that being 'adult' means less fun.lol! i was thinking the same thing. she's not ready to leave yet - not ready to chose someone else yet. when she becomes apathetic, that is when she will start planning her exit. but i wonder if family, namely mothers or both parents of either person, are pressuring her to stay and work it out. the stigma of divorce in their community can be great enough to make a woman stay in an unhealthy relationship.
I definitely think Gio used being a caretaker to Mark as his identity. I'm glad you picked up on that. And he probably relished in that identity when he was around friends gossiping about Mark. Sad to say but I think Mark is realizing that even though he had his own issue with addiction, Gio is immature.oh yes! yes! he lives life on stage. everything is a production, and he's the director. you gotta act a certain way, fulfill your purpose for him. mark's purpose has changed and gio doesn't have a new role for him. inexplicably, he's shown he dislikes the change. if you have lived that way for a while, or all your life, it's difficult to turn it off and honor your own privacy. there is no delineation between private and public. i also sense he likes the attention he receives from being with an addict. he, himself, formed an identity from being in a relationship with an addict.
mark is a person, not a character. they want things to go back to normal, but their "normal" as his alcoholism. you don't need an audience to heal your relationship. your relationship is not a show for others. it doesn't have to be a greek tragedy.
Oh I know why Ghost didn't use a condom. A tale as old as hobosexual time. He planned this so he could move in her place and get a wife & ready-made family without having to be a husband.
And he probably relished in that identity when he was around friends gossiping about Mark.
Michal and Michael have a deep friendship at least. It's interesting seeing their dynamic. What do you think of Dr. Orna's 30 minutes of pleasant conversation and 30 minutes of business homework?
Thank you for making the thread and tagging me @oops!! Thank you for posting the trailer @kelleh rollin. We don't see much of some couples because they didn't give consent. Some couples stop allowing filming during their sessions. Others only consent to some sessions and not others even if they were taped.
I wonder why Robot chose not to use birth control as a single mother. It's clear Ghost was just casual xes to her. Robot expressed the source of her frustration. She's a single woman living like a married woman and that's not the life she wanted for herself. She wants her freedom, independence and feels like Ghost just adds more responsibilities to her plate, like a third child. Ghost likes that she feels trapped because to him that means she won't leave him.
Robot is a single mother but Ghost is trying to get her not to identify as one. It's the tricky rouse of hobosexualism. Showtime showed 2 episodes back to back.When you’re already a single mother?
Definitely think Robot will ask him to leave her home. He adds nothing to her life. She's had her fill and wants peace.i'm rooting for robot. i want her to find her peace and keep it!
Definitely think Michal should lean back @Shikorina. Technically they have to still live together under Othodox Judaism but I can definitely see them having a separate bedrooms life if Michael doesn't kick into high gear. Michal probably has their whole life planned and Michael doesn't even care what's for dinner., will they live in separate homes
And now that Mark is sober he can see Gio's addiction clearly. But he can't address it because Gio is so combative.gio is addicted to attention
Mark is on his way out. He feels loyalty to Gio for helping him through his dark night of the soul but I don't see him staying in this dynamic for much longer.his neediness and controlling nature may push him to drink again.
Michael will say that he wouldn't do the business talk because it was 'too much' after work and he wanted to just live in la la land of Netflix & No Bills.
I couldn't see either of them committing to that. Whew, these two are a lot. Their interactions set my teeth on edge and I feel for their children who live in this chaos.
Robo and Hobo just make me sad.
I'm watching season 2. I think I enjoyed season 1 better. There was a bit more... color. Anyway, surprisingly I'm the most interested in Gio and Matt. Matt is going to relapse... He needs individual therapy as well. I like him and Gio but I don't think they will make it. Gio seems enormously annoyed with Matt. What happened to the puerto rican woman and black guy from season 1. She was needy as hell!
Michal reminds me of an old co-worker. Mid-20s. When I met her she had been dating the man that was to become her husband for several years. Since college, through 3 years of graduate school and in the first couple years of her career. I think they may have broken up once or twice. It was very clear she was the pursuer. He was Jewish, she wasn’t. That may have been the reason for the break up at one point.
In any case she converted to Judaism with the expectation that an engagement would soon follow. And it did. He was just starting out a career in a highly specialized field and has to go where the work/internship was so their relationship was mainly long distance. So she was alone all the time. But never seemed to complain - she had a single-minded attitude about it. When I finally met him, I was underwhelmed. He was just some dude - nothing special. He seemed a bit boyish even.
Anyway, she practically ran down the aisle at her wedding. A few months into the marriage and of course he has to go off to another state for work/internship - back to long distance. It seemed like this work instability was going to continue for a while. When he was home in her condo, all of a sudden she was miserable. Personalities just didn’t match. She never complained before the wedding but now she was overwhelmed with their differences. A few times they tried to triangulate me and would get into it at happy hours. I finally lost touch with her but I know she had a baby a couple years later.
I just wanted to scream at her “you didn’t know who he was???” “Why were you so desperate to marry this man?” I think there are certain very smart, capable type A women who have these blind spots or delusions about themselves and their relationships. And ultimately, about how much they can control in life!
Because there is no way Michael was some go-getter type when she was dating him. I guarantee Michal was the aggressor-pursuer in the dating phase. Made most of the decisions and just generally moved things forward like my old co-worker. Now she’s tired!! And she wants him to switch roles with her. It just doesn’t work that way!
Are they an hour long? Because I am only getting 30 minute segments on Showtime.Yeah I don't like any of these couples and I probably won't even watch this season. They made the episodes an hour long with content that people want to watch less.
Someone ping me if they update on Annie and Mau.
This right here. Robot can't stand Dru (at least that's the vibe I am getting) but doesn't know how to get him to leave (he reminds me of champagne Vinny on MAFS-soft and whiny). I also get the vibe that there is something more going on with her as far as relationships go. He might not be enough for her- if you know what I mean.i don't think she truly wants to be in that relationship. she had no choice because he's the one with a job. a survival situation.
But didn't Gianni also say that he can't be alone? That he gets anxiety if he has to sleep alone? So doesn't that put Matt in a caretaker role also? They are thoroughly enmeshed and I don't see either of them walking away from the relationship. Even if it doesn't get any better.gio & matt: i kept calling matt, mark. he looks like a mark. they really are not good for each other. knocking back multiple bottles of wine a night while living with a recovering alcoholic? yikes. i'm glad gio was able to stop doing that, but it says a lot her even started in the first place. he needs healthier coping mechanisms. they are just toooooo enmeshed. gio gave up opportunities, gave up seeing his family because of matt's unfounded fears? or did gio cheat in the past, hence matt being on edge about there being distance between them? there has to be a backstory to the distrust. they need space - healthy individual space away from each other. at this point, matt is putting himself in between gio and his family, and that's not right. ultimatums for visiting family? boy bye. since it is such a big deal, i wonder why matt can't go with him to visit his family, go see where he's from, get to know gianni's family? or is that making things 'too real' and too much to handle?
Michal needs a sitcom of her own. She is off the charts with her yelling and screaming. Her husband just shrinks into the corner when she does that. But I love how the experiment of her taking two hours off worked. He automatically picked up the slack. A small victory for the family but I don't know if I see any growth in their marriage. Her husband is too passive and lacks passion.I watched on demand a little while ago. Look forward to y’all’s comments on the Jewish couple.
But didn't Gianni also say that he can't be alone? That he gets anxiety if he has to sleep alone? So doesn't that put Matt in a caretaker role also? They are thoroughly enmeshed and I don't see either of them walking away from the relationship. Even if it doesn't get any better.
I do think she is questioning it. I don't know why I get those vibes. Her tears are of confusion and frustration- not of "I am afraid of loving him and losing myself". She has not shown love or affection for him.as for robot - maybe she is questioning her sexuality. if she is, i know for certain there is a woman out there in nyc with her sh-t together - a good job and home - that would not mind loving on her and helping to take care of her children.
As for Matt's alcoholism, he does go into his childhood. You may not have seen the episode yet so I won't spoil it for you. But I can say that it seems that he treats the addiction like it is a best friend (reliable, unconditionally loving, unchanging, always there, etc.). Another human being (Gio) for example, can leave you, hurt you, etc.i am also curious about matt's history, what may have leant to his predilection for alcohol. his fear is losing the reason he's sober - he fears losing gianni. he feels that if gianni isn't there, he can't remain on the straight and narrow. he needs to decrease his need for gianni as his crutch and use himself as his motivation, not another person. he put himself in such a precarious position through needing someone else to inspire his sobriety.