Dionne Warrick says Mariah , Brandy, Mary J and Toni are not icons

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Dionne gave Toni 2 chops lmao!

Brandy, Mariah and Mary are already icons. Dionne is just too far removed from their generations to realize it.

I see what Dionne was saying about Toni. She really needs to take her career more seriously and take her brand to the next level. She is not as respected as she should be.
 
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Cliffs:

Brandy : has potential, double threat- fine actress, golden voice
Mariah: doesn't know her that well but is a fine songwriter, loves "hero"
Mary J: yes, her growth has been astounding
Toni: doesn't know if Toni even wants that
 
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Not even Mariah is an icon??

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Respectfully, Dionne...what the world.
 
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Does this seem a little messy to anyone else? I notice some of these older women that are singers criticize their younger counterparts for no reason. Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I just don't like things like this. Maybe some of these artists don't want to be icons and just want to make music and relax. To also what may be considered an icon in Warwick's generation is probably not what is considered an icon in other generations...
 
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Does this seem a little messy to anyone else? I notice some of these older women that are singers criticize their younger counterparts for no reason. Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I just don't like things like this. Maybe some of these artists don't want to be icons and just want to make music and relax. To also what may be considered an icon in Warwick's generation is probably not what is considered an icon in other generations...
Think about the women she considers icons, Sarah Vaughn, Lena Horne, Ella Fitzgerald. These are Black women who were touring and acting during Jim Crow segregation. Older Black people have this tension with struggle. They find struggle noble. Those who persevere through struggle are given high acclaim.

The younger artists, though they do have struggles are the descendants of the pathways that women Dionne considers icons created for them. Which is why she likes Mary J. Blige. Again, a woman who has triumphed over domestic violence, addiction, and the other routine violence that Black women experience like misogyny, white supremacy, et. al. to make a name for herself as a singer and actor.

I love her music but many people only know Dionne as a purveyor of shade. So I hope she uses her interviews to discuss more of her music.
 
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Think about the women she considers icons, Sarah Vaughn, Lena Horne, Ella Fitzgerald. These are Black women who were touring and acting during Jim Crow segregation. Older Black people have this tension with struggle. They find struggle noble. Those who persevere through struggle are given high acclaim.

The younger artists, though they do have struggles are the descendants of the pathways that women Dionne considers icons created for them. Which is why she likes Mary J. Blige. Again, a woman who has triumphed over domestic violence, drug addiction, and the other routine violence that Black women experience to make a name for herself as a singer and actor.

I love her music but many people only know Dionne as a purveyor of shade. So I hope she uses her interviews to discuss more of her music.
Your right. I haven't thought about it that way.

I thought it was unnecessary when she shaded Beyonce saying she wasn't an icon a while ago. I'm not a Beyonce stan, but I do appreciate how much work she puts into singing and her shows. I do feel like all of the artists she mentioned have had a huge impact on the music industry whether she wants to admit it or not especially Mariah Carey and Toni Braxton.
 
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Ms. Warwick is a trailblazing living legend who is absolutely entitled to state the facts and doesn't have to cater to those who can't handle the truth.

None of these women would even exist in the game if she hadn't paved the way (I include my all-time fave, Queen MJB) and they know it, which is why they respect Ms. Warwick enough to not contest what she said.
 
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I'm going to respect her opinion. Its different to already have a long career before these ladies even got started. When I was born, all 4 of them were already popular, so it takes no getting used to what is already the status quo. I didn't get excited with the crop of big artists that have come along in the 2010's and later, because I've seen their influences, the payola, the marketing scheme of things and its either been done before or doesn't blow my skirt up. So I see where she's coming from as she's seen entire generations of other singers who she looked up to, the peers she came up with, and all the generations that came after. She sees a bigger picture and has a bigger criteria and I respect that.

One day Mariah Carey is going to be the Sara Vaughn for us, and the kids who haven't been born are gonna drag us for not respecting Lil Bo Peep (who's name is original, btw) who got started in 2043 and hasn't stopped turning nursey rhymes into sex puns since.
 
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Your right. I haven't thought about it that way.

I thought it was unnecessary when she shaded Beyonce saying she wasn't an icon a while ago. I'm not a Beyonce stan, but I do appreciate how much work she puts into singing and her shows. I do feel like all of the artists she mentioned have had a huge impact on the music industry whether she wants to admit it or not especially Mariah Carey and Toni Braxton.
You don't have to agree with her. She has the right to who she feels are icons in an industry she cracked open to Black pop singers.
 
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You don't have to agree with her. I know that women in her generation are sad that younger Black people don't know their music catalogs and impact. When they were growing up Black households listened to music communally so music was a shared experience. Depending on how young a Black person is now, they can start developing their own musical palette distinct from their parents as soon as they get their own device around 8 or 9.
I know I don't have to agree with her. That's why we all have different opinions. Not speaking for anyone else in my generation, but I'm pretty young and I knew of her for a while because I grew up around singers, musicians and have been playing instruments since I was 9, so I'm not trying to take away her impact she has had on the music industry at all.

I think some fonts (not you) are trying to act like I said she had no impact on the music industry and her opinion is irrelevant, which isn't what I said at all. All I said is that I feel like the video is a little bit messy.
 
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Aretha Franklin was hailed the "Queen of Soul" extremely early in her career.

Yet we still argue over legendary/iconic statuses for our artists who have been around for 20+ years, sold millions, have classic records and laundry lists of accolades.

Everyone listed is a legend/icon in my opinion.
 

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