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about the black people in Pittsburgh during the 1920s and 1940s and I am sorta of pissed off.
It makes me wish that they focused on building the community instead of intergration. Especially listening to the sports section, I feel like some of the people come off as desperate. Why couldn’t blacks work to make black minor league baseball bigger and better than interfrating with the white major leagues?
 
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about the black people in Pittsburgh during the 1920s and 1940s and I am sorta of pissed off.
It makes me wish that they focused on building the community instead of intergration. Especially listening to the sports section, I feel like some of the people come off as desperate. Why couldn’t blacks work to make black minor league baseball bigger and better than interfrating with the white major leagues?
 
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bc whites have more money. and having more money will always be more attractive than having less


It depends. The Black elite who craved white acceptance already had money.

The owner of the Homestead Greys father was an engineer and a partner to Henry Clay Frick. Dude was way way richer than the average white man.
 

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about the black people in Philadelphia during the 1920s and 1940s and I am sorta of pissed off.
It makes me wish that they focused on building the community instead of intergration. Especially listening to the sports section, I feel like some of the people come off as desperate. Why couldn’t blacks work to make black minor league baseball bigger and better than interfrating with the white major leagues?
What book is it?

And I feel you. Black people are too nice. That combined with Stockholm Syndrome and...sigh
 

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What book is it?

And I feel you. Black people are too nice. That combined with Stockholm Syndrome and...sigh

I always felt that blacks care too much about non-blacks and what they think. And I agree we do have Stockholm Syndrome.

The book is called “Smoketown” by Mark Whitaker
 

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Philly was the epicenter for Free Blacks and upper class Blacks for 100+ years. Not everyone wanted to integrate. Like Claude Anderson said those Negroes thought they were getting Assimilation but Whites tricked them and have them a "weaker product" behind the counter...one sided integration.

Problem was it indeed was one sided. Blacks were right to push for public sphere access after that they should have remained with their own giving them access to multiple options of both White & Black businesses
 

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i was referencing the ball players that made up the negro league

and yes, a good portion of the black stuff was started simply bc they couldn't join white institutions so the elite crowd abandoned them as soon as they could

these people thought they were the same as white people, but just with a tan

It depends. The Black elite who craved white acceptance already had money.

The owner of the Homestead Greys father was an engineer and a partner to Henry Clay Frick. Dude was way way richer than the average white man.
 

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Our bondage goes beyond physical. The collective Black folk then and now have internalized a pathological perspective of themselves. There is a taboo belief that the closer in proximity to whiteness, the better off you’ll be. I believe that was one of the main driving force for integration. The other factors are whites wouldn’t let the blacks be great even when they minded their own businesses (literally and figuratively). They sabotaged and destroyed black communities, families, education and economy. So why not push to integrate into the dominant society when you kno they won’t destroy the very society they’re apart of?
 

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I always felt that blacks care too much about non-blacks and what they think. And I agree we do have Stockholm Syndrome.

The book is called “Smoketown” by Mark Whitaker
Yes probably the Richest Black man at the turn of the century gave the money he made by selling substandard housing to Black people in Philly to the Catholic Church. His son sued to try to get some of it back. That relative later helped found the Boule' Where a colleague of his complained about Southern Black people's lack of Hygene and moral failings
 

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Easy to say for someone living past the Civil Rights era and understands the limitations to white "acceptance"
 
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I always felt that blacks care too much about non-blacks and what they think. And I agree we do have Stockholm Syndrome.

The book is called “Smoketown” by Mark Whitaker

Smoketown is about PITTSBURGH, and if you knew anything about black history you would not be so quick to point fingers at us as the sole reason for our oppression and the opposition to our self-sufficiency.

With regards to black baseball leagues, you need to read more.

In fact, you need to read more in general, and not come to LSA with criticism after reading 20 pages of one book that you haven't even finished.
 

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Does the book cover the Black economy that was based on the Negro Leagues? Restaurants, Diners, laundry mates, hotels and so forth?
 

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Yes probably the Richest Black man at the turn of the century gave the money he made by selling substandard housing to Black people in Philly to the Catholic Church. His son sued to try to get some of it back. That relative later helped found the Boule' Where a colleague of his complained about Southern Black people's lack of Hygene and moral failings

I assume you are referring to the Mckee/Milton Klan.
 

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Does the book cover the Black economy that was based on the Negro Leagues? Restaurants, Diners, laundry mates, hotels and so forth?

The book is more of a reconstruction of the brief period when Pittsburgh rivaled Harlem, Chicago, Philly, and LA as black meccas, since most people do overlook Pittsburgh as a thriving community. It's really good and shouldn't be read as a "what went wrong with black people" saga the way OP is reading it. It also provides some historical context for August Wilson's plays.
 

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The book is more of a reconstruction of the brief period when Pittsburgh rivaled Harlem, Chicago, Philly, and LA as black meccas, since most people do overlook Pittsburgh as a thriving community. It's really good and shouldn't be read as a "what went wrong with black people" saga the way OP is reading it. It also provides some historical context for August Wilson's plays.

Well, then that's amazing. We need a tv series on this brief era.
 

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We really fell for the okee doke with integration because building the community would have established our wealth as a group which would have allowed us to bypass discrimination cause we had our own. But years after slavery we continue to subject ourselves to oppression by begging for the acceptance of those who have told us they don’t care about us.
 
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We really fell for the okee doke with integration because building the community would have established our wealth as a group which would have allowed us to bypass discrimination cause we had our own. But years after slavery we continue to subject ourselves to oppression by begging for the acceptance of those who have told us they don’t care about us.

Never would have happened. We had our own but discrimination stop us from acquiring wealth as a group. So we could not by pass discrimination on a group level. Yes some found ways around but could never bypass it.
 

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Never would have happened. We had our own but discrimination stop us from acquiring wealth as a group. So we could not by pass discrimination on a group level. Yes some found ways around but could never bypass it.
There’s a book out now called Black Fortunes about Black people who were rich at the turn of the century and how their wealth eventually dissipated in one generation
 

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It depends. The Black elite who craved white acceptance already had money.

The owner of the Homestead Greys father was an engineer and a partner to Henry Clay Frick. Dude was way way richer than the average white man.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Frick Carnegie's muscle in the steel biz? How was he partnered w/a Black dude?
 

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Easy to say for someone living past the Civil Rights era to say and understands the limitations to white "acceptance"

Why does have to be about approval or even acceptance?

Smoketown is about PITTSBURGH, and if you knew anything about black history you would not be so quick to point fingers at us as the sole reason for our oppression and the opposition to our self-sufficiency.

With regards to black baseball leagues, you need to read more.

In fact, you need to read more in general, and not come to LSA with criticism after reading 20 pages of one book that you haven't even finished.

I’m not pointing finger at blacks. I’m venting my frustration. Also I’m always done with the book.

I have read many books about black in the early 1900s.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Frick Carnegie's muscle in the steel biz? How was he partnered w/a Black dude?
Yes I was surprised to hear that too. He shot ten white dudes but partnered with a Black guy.
 

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Never would have happened. We had our own but discrimination stop us from acquiring wealth as a group. So we could not by pass discrimination on a group level. Yes some found ways around but could never bypass it.

In the earlier years which were much more racist we couldn’t bypass it, but those who did find a way around it could have built empires for black people so that in more modern times where we’re more accepted we could bypass racism because we’d have our own.
 

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There’s a book out now called Black Fortunes about Black people who were rich at the turn of the century and how their wealth eventually dissipated in one generation

Thank you for this because I didn’t have the energy.
 

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