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This guy has been the best left-back in the world for 7/8 yrs & he has basically won everything in club football. Yet he's just 28 yrs old -- unbelievable! I call him the black Philipp Lahm of full backs due to his versatility!

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Accolades:

Bundesliga: 2009–10, 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2018–19, 2019–20
DFB-Pokal: 2012–13, 2013–14, 2015–16, 2018–19, 2019–20
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2018
UEFA Champions League: 2012–13, 2019–20[66]
UEFA Super Cup: 2013
FIFA Club World Cup: 2013
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Darn! 9 Bundesliga titles & 2 UEFA Champions League titles at just 28...not too many people are ever gonna touch that. Time to leave Germany & come to the Premiership.

I like that young naij kid, Josh Zirkzee, that plays for Bayern. He reminds of a young Ruud Gullit.

Anyway, the GOAT, David Alaba with the ultimate powerful message after keeping Mbappe in check & winning his 2nd UCL trophy yesterday, lol.

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Alaba is amazing, but Jay Jay Okocha would like to have a word...

EDIT: @ComradeQueen curious to hear your thoughts on the greatest Nigerian player debate since you disagree
 
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Okocha didn't win sh!t.

I guess if winning titles is the measure of success you're using, then there's an argument to be made. However, being part of a team that wins titles doesn't necessarily mean that an individual player is better than others in teams that are/were not as decorated.

But if we're talking sheer skill, especially when it comes to strikers with impressive stats, then Okocha is a worthy contender for that title. Kanu and Yakubu could be included in the discussion too.
 

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Nah the greatest would come from the golden generation

Kanu
The gawd Yekini
The Bull Daniel Amokachi
Okocha
 

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This guy has been the best left-back in the world for 7/8 yrs & he has basically won everything in club football. Yet he's just 28 yrs old -- unbelievable! I call him the black Philipp Lahm of full backs due to his versatility!

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Accolades:

Bundesliga: 2009–10, 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2018–19, 2019–20
DFB-Pokal: 2012–13, 2013–14, 2015–16, 2018–19, 2019–20
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2018
UEFA Champions League: 2012–13, 2019–20[66]
UEFA Super Cup: 2013
FIFA Club World Cup: 2013
--------------------------------------------------

Darn! 9 Bundesliga titles & 2 UEFA Champions League titles at just 28...not too many people are ever gonna touch that. Time to leave Germany & come to the Premiership.

I like that young naij kid, Josh Zirkzee, that plays for Bayern. He reminds of a young Ruud Gullit.

Anyway, the GOAT, David Alaba with the ultimate powerful message after keeping Mbappe in check & winning his 2nd UCL trophy yesterday, lol.

EgI45RiXYAEArnw.jpg


And black men aren't your enemy -- Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein & those that look like Leopold (that genocidal scumbag wasn't a king), Hitler & the US/UK/French elites are your enemy. LOL.

Of Nigerian descent that is “these guys either have Nigerian parents, a Nigerian father or mother, grew up abroad or have ties with the country one way or the other.”

Yes he runs away with it. I’ve looked at others in years past and currently. No one comes near to what he’s achieved.
 

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I guess if winning titles is the measure of success you're using, then there's an argument to be made. However, being part of a team that wins titles doesn't necessarily mean that an individual player is better than others in teams that are/were not as decorated.

But if we're talking sheer skill, especially when it comes to strikers with impressive stats, then Okocha is a worthy contender for that title. Kanu and Yakubu could be included in the discussion too.
To be considered the greatest, you have to win something.

Nobody cares about skills when it comes to football.

Winning and achievements matter more.

Quaresma was more skillful than Ronaldo yet nobody would pick him above Ronaldo.

And btw, okocha was not a striker he was an attacking midfielder.

And lastly, if you are an integral part of a team that wins titles, then yes you are better than lesser decorated players.
 

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Okocha actually won sh!t for Nigeria at the continental level, who the fµck cares that he didn't win titles for rich european clubs?
People care about titles for rich European clubs because that's where he plied his trade.

What kind of dumb argument is this?

The OP asked about club achievements not national achievements.

Africa football is weak compared to Europe so Nigeria winning is expected.

Austria will probably never win Euros during Alaba period.
 

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People care about titles for rich European clubs because that's where he plied his trade.

What kind of dumb argument is this?

The OP asked about club achievements not national achievements.

Africa football is weak compared to Europe so Nigeria winning is expected.

Austria will probably never win Euros during Alaba period.

Nigeria winning is expected but yet Nigeria has only ever won Three African Cup of Nations titles in its history?

Brilliant logic there and tells me you know little about Football.

Okocha is loved because he delivered the second of those titles in 1994, as well as an Olympic Gold Medal and that means far more than any random European Club Champions Cup.Alaba doesn't even play for the Nigerian national team so honestly who cares how he does? He's just another Diaspora guy abroad.

Okocha will be an icon for the rest of his life due to his exploits in the 90s. A lot of these club icons get forgotten even five years after they leave in Europe, because these teams are so used to titles and winning and the churn of new stars. Bayern fans in 2057 won't even know who David Alaba is, Nigerians in 2057 will still know Jay Jay's name.

Sadio Mane himself has said he would trade all of his Liverpool Honors for even one AFCON title with Senegal.

But you keep hyping up Nigerian diasporans abroad who don't even rep Naija.
 

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To be considered the greatest, you have to win something.

Nobody cares about skills when it comes to football.

Winning and achievements matter more.

Quaresma was more skillful than Ronaldo yet nobody would pick him above Ronaldo.

And btw, okocha was not a striker he was an attacking midfielder.

And lastly, if you are an integral part of a team that wins titles, then yes you are better than lesser decorated players.

This is categorically false.

"Greatest" is ultimately subjective based on criteria. You could use individual player stats, titles won, skill and other criteria to determine "greatest", so there's no indisputable, objective way to determine who is deserving of that title.

I forgot Okocha was an attacking midifielder, but since strikers and attacking midfielders are the main goal scoring positions, I maintain the stance that they are usually among those who demonstrate the greatest skill to overcome a strong defense.

Anyway, you seemly oddly hostile, when this is ultimately a casual exchange of opinions.
 

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Nigeria winning is expected but yet Nigeria has only ever won Three African Cup of Nations titles in its history?

Brilliant logic there and tells me you know little about Football.

Okocha is loved because he delivered the second of those titles in 1994, as well as an Olympic Gold Medal and that means far more than any random European Club Champions Cup.Alaba doesn't even play for the Nigerian national team so honestly who cares how he does? He's just another Diaspora guy abroad.

Sadio Mane himself has said he would trade all of his Liverpool Honors for even one AFCON title with Senegal.
Nigeria winning only three AFCONs is due to underachieving tendencies of the national team and not due to better talent of opposing teams.

FFS, Zambia won the AFCON.....which of their players do you remember?

Olympics gold medal for football is for under23 and 3 old players.....who cares about that?

Messi has won one Olympic gold medal, do you think Argentineans thank him for that?

Up until recently, Nigeria had one of the highest number of players starting for top clubs in Europe.

Mane opinion is his opinion.
 

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Greatest player of Filipino descent, no doubt.
Greatest Nigerian? I'd have to think about that one.



Ps. If you play for Bayern, winning the Bundesliga & DFB Pokal is a give. He wouldn't have those titles if he played for most other 31 clubs...
 

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This is categorically false.

"Greatest" is ultimately subjective based on criteria. You could use individual player stats, titles won, skill and other criteria to determine "greatest", so there's no indisputable, objective way to determine who is deserving of that title.

I forgot Okocha was an attacking midifielder, but since strikers and attacking midfielders are the main goal scoring positions, I maintain the stance that they are usually among those who demonstrate the greatest skill to overcome a strong defense.

Anyway, you seemly oddly hostile, when this is ultimately a casual exchange of opinions.
I'm not hostile.

Skills is not that important when it comes to judging players by greatest list.

Name one player who is only remembered for his skills and not achievements.

Just one.
 

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Hes the greatest in denying his heritage
Alaba doesn't deny his heritage. He actually wanted to play for Nigeria and the NFF messed up and wanted bribes so he went to the Austrian team. He and his sister, Rose-May who even sings in Naija spend some time there
 

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Football is not viewed like American sports where it is just stats that make the athlete

It is called the beautiful game for a reason.

Pull up any list of “greatest footballers” , there will be many who don’t have many titles or even titles at all but they will still be regarded as great.

If it by titles the Mikel Obi would be greater than Jay Jay , said no one that actually watches the sport.
 

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I'm not hostile.

Skills is not that important when it comes to judging players by greatest list.

Name one player who is only remembered for his skills and not achievements.

Just one.
Skills absolutely have to be part of the criteria for judging. Trophies cannot be the be all end all.

Case in point, Mario Gotze, who decided Germany's fate against Argentina in the 2014 World Cup Final. Messi could not score for the life of him in that game (he's also fumbled the last few Champions League seasons). However, even in the matches he loses, you can tell that Messi is a playmaker, the chances he creates, his tackles etc... No one will say he won't go down as one of the greatest, if not the greatest.

Where is Gotze who "won" the trophy? Similarly, Man City have won The League twice in the last few years. But do you really think any of them outside KDB (if he keeps this up) or Aguero has a leg in the greatest player convo? And for two of them it's definitely because of their skills!
 

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if you were not part of this team, you can not be considered amongst the greats






that team still bring tears to our eyes :cry
 

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Skills absolutely have to be part of the criteria for judging. Trophies cannot be the be all end all.

Case in point, Mario Gotze, who decided Germany's fate against Argentina in the 2014 World Cup Final. Messi could not score for the life of him in that game (he's also fumbled the last few Champions League seasons). However, even in the matches he loses, you can tell that Messi is a playmaker, the chances he creates, his tackles etc... No one will say he won't go down as one of the greatest, if not the greatest.

Where is Gotze who "won" the trophy? Similarly, Man City have won The League twice in the last few years. But do you really think any of them outside KDB (if he keeps this up) or Aguero has a leg in the greatest player convo? And for two of them it's definitely because of their skills!
Messi will be considered a great not due to his skills but because of his outrageous goal scoring abilities and assist creation talents.

Gotze was considered Dortmund biggest talent for years, he's no where to be found due to his issues with weight.

For Man City, Kompany, David Silva will be considered great in their positions.

Aguero will be remembered for his goal scoring abilities nothing else just like Alan Shearer.

KDB I agree with you, has skills but also he will be more remembered for his play making techniques than for his skills.
 

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I'm not hostile.

Skills is not that important when it comes to judging players by greatest list.

Name one player who is only remembered for his skills and not achievements.

Just one.

I'll happily name more than just one.

Antonio Di Natale, Jermaine Defoe, Francesco Totti, Gary Lineker, Fernando Torres, Robin Van Persie (his prime years with Arsenal), Socrates (the Brazilian).

Many of these won one or two (often not very significant) titles, or none at all. They're more remembered for their individual achievements and skill.
 

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Messi will be considered a great not due to his skills but because of his outrageous goal scoring abilities and assist creation talents.

Goal scoring abilities and assist creation talents = skill
 

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Messi will be considered a great not due to his skills but because of his outrageous goal scoring abilities and assist creation talents.

Gotze was considered Dortmund biggest talent for years, he's no where to be found due to his issues with weight.

For Man City, Kompany, David Silva will be considered great in their positions.

Aguero will be remembered for his goal scoring abilities nothing else just like Alan Shearer.

KDB I agree with you, has skills but also he will be more remembered for his play making techniques than for his skills.
These are skills. Sorry, what do you define as a skill because I'm confused AF? You even used the word talent above. Are they no longer interchangeable words?
 

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These are skills. Sorry, what do you define as a skill because I'm confused AF? You even used the word talent above. Are they no longer interchangeable words?
The font I was arguing with meant skills as dribbling and showboating.

Maybe I am mistaken.
 

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The font I was arguing with meant skills as dribbling and showboating.

Maybe I am mistaken.

If you mean me, I never mentioned dribbling and showboating in any of my posts, and I don't believe anyone else did either.

I personally used the word skill in general because it encompasses a lot of things, and is a valid criterion to use when assessing great players.
 

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This guy has been the best left-back in the world for 7/8 yrs & he has basically won everything in club football. Yet he's just 28 yrs old -- unbelievable! I call him the black Philipp Lahm of full backs due to his versatility!

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Accolades:

Bundesliga: 2009–10, 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2018–19, 2019–20
DFB-Pokal: 2012–13, 2013–14, 2015–16, 2018–19, 2019–20
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2018
UEFA Champions League: 2012–13, 2019–20[66]
UEFA Super Cup: 2013
FIFA Club World Cup: 2013
--------------------------------------------------

Darn! 9 Bundesliga titles & 2 UEFA Champions League titles at just 28...not too many people are ever gonna touch that. Time to leave Germany & come to the Premiership.

I like that young naij kid, Josh Zirkzee, that plays for Bayern. He reminds of a young Ruud Gullit.

Anyway, the GOAT, David Alaba with the ultimate powerful message after keeping Mbappe in check & winning his 2nd UCL trophy yesterday, lol.

EgI45RiXYAEArnw.jpg


And black men aren't your enemy -- Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein & those that look like Leopold (that genocidal scumbag wasn't a king), Hitler & the US/UK/French elites are your enemy. LOL.

Did he ever get any individual awards, or at least rank high?
 

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Okocha didn't win sh!t.

I’m not replying to threads right now but you’re right.

I like Jay Jay but he never played for a big club (PSG wasn’t a big club when he played there) & didn’t win any major trophies. He was a king at Bolton, just as Charlie Adams was a King at Stoke City....a king amongst plums. LOL. Very skilful with great tekkers but he basically just played to the gallery & not to win. And he was like the Guinean player, Camara, that played for Liverpool back then.

And you can’t blame racism for him not joining big clubs cos there were loads of African players playing for big clubs back then. He just wasn’t good enough.

As for Kanu: he had good spurts of greatness at Arsenal & was a much better player than Jay Jay with great technical gifts but he was like 50 yrs old claiming 25. I’d wager that Yakubu had a greater EPL career cos he delivered everywhere he went.

The rest of the names on the thread aren’t even worth debating.

David Alaba is the GOAT!
 

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Just found out this guy is biracial. Shocked. The Asian genes did not fight hard enough
 

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This guy has been the best left-back in the world for 7/8 yrs & he has basically won everything in club football. Yet he's just 28 yrs old -- unbelievable! I call him the black Philipp Lahm of full backs due to his versatility!

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Accolades:

Bundesliga: 2009–10, 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2018–19, 2019–20
DFB-Pokal: 2012–13, 2013–14, 2015–16, 2018–19, 2019–20
DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2018
UEFA Champions League: 2012–13, 2019–20[66]
UEFA Super Cup: 2013
FIFA Club World Cup: 2013
--------------------------------------------------

Darn! 9 Bundesliga titles & 2 UEFA Champions League titles at just 28...not too many people are ever gonna touch that. Time to leave Germany & come to the Premiership.

I like that young naij kid, Josh Zirkzee, that plays for Bayern. He reminds of a young Ruud Gullit.

Anyway, the GOAT, David Alaba with the ultimate powerful message after keeping Mbappe in check & winning his 2nd UCL trophy yesterday, lol.

EgI45RiXYAEArnw.jpg


And black men aren't your enemy -- Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein & those that look like Leopold (that genocidal scumbag wasn't a king), Hitler & the US/UK/French elites are your enemy. LOL.

Yes but that's because he played for Bayern Munich and now plays for Real Madrid. You can play for a great team but not be a great player.

Ask Phil Neville.

But to be fair Alaba is a great player. Imagine some of players of African descent who play for their European countries of birth, decided to play for their African countries of origin ?

The World cup would be very different
 

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