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Is Toni Braxton an icon?

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I’m having this debate with my sister.

She believes that Toni isn’t legendary because of the multiple bankruptcies in spanking from 97 and her career hasn’t recovered after that.

I’m on the opinion that she is indeed a icon because she is one of the best selling singers of all time.
 

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If she was an icon she wouldn't be on reality tv...you won't see Janet on TV with her dumb ass bird brained family ******* it up and airing their dirty laundry ...Toni is still the superior singer don't get me wrong, she can BLOW, but an icon? Nah.
 

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And this photo of her deserves an appreciation thread. Someone please start it - I'm shy.

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If we have to question it, then I’d have to say “no”.

With icons AND legends, we just know. When people speak on Whitney, Michael, Stevie Wonder, Prince etc it’s pretty much a given, it’s never a question.

I like Toni’s music though.
 

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Not at all.

It was over for him after three albums. The most he’s known for today is the Queen of Refinancing and Bankruptcy. He had zero impact on the game. Basically a flash on the pan. Couldn’t even make it 10 years.

If Toni is an icon, so is Vanilla Ice.
 
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Then they clearly have no understanding of music and the impacts of certain artists

Clive had Whitney and LaFace had Toni.
That was a legendary time in music. This is ridiculous
I thought Toni was a step below Whitney and Mariah during that time? Like she was above brandy, Aaliyah etc etc but not on the Whitney level
 

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People do this thing that irks me tooo much!! Toni Braxton is an icon. We live in the age of where people pick the low moments of these artists life that happened in their personal life and use that to define their entire contribution. Toni Braxton is an Icon! Her music is iconic and her voice is sooo recognizable she could be singing about the alphabets and we would already know who is singing!
 

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I thought Toni was a step below Whitney and Mariah during that time? Like she was above brandy, Aaliyah etc etc but not on the Whitney level

She was holding her own for a few years but then Whitney took off and you know how they do us. There can only be 1 Black woman in the spotlight : unamused:

Toni has a stone cold catalogue. Don’t let nobody ever tell you different honey

EDIT - Whitney was already out
 
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People do this thing that irks me tooo much!! Toni Braxton is an icon. We live in the age of where people pick the low moments of these artists life that happened in their personal life and use that to define their entire contribution. Toni Braxton is an Icon! Her music is iconic and her voice is sooo recognizable she could be singing about the alphabets and we would already know who is singing!
I agree but you can’t deny it kinda tainted her legacy for a while before she rebound.
 
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She was holding her own for a few years but then Whitney took off and you know how they do us. There can only be 1 Black woman in the spotlight : unamused:

Toni has a stone cold catalogue. Don’t let nobody ever tell you different honey
I agree, all of her catalogue has aged gracefully.

While she was wasn’t on that Whitney and mariah level, she was def a no.3
 

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You go on to mention icon, and then bring up legend. The two are not the same thing.

I will say that Toni is a 1990s R&B icon. Her songs have been remembered, she has had a lot of success, and still has somewhat of a presence. You will think of Toni when the 1990s come up.

I do not see her as a legend (which is fine, since few people are), since she did not have the longevity, and did not have the influence.
 
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You go on to mention icon, and then bring up legend. The two are not the same thing.

I will say that Toni is a 1990s R&B icon. Her songs have been remembered, she has had a lot of success, and still has somewhat of a presence. You will think of Toni when the 1990s come up.

I do not see her as a legend (which is fine, since few people are), since she did not have the longevity, and did not have the influence.
I know icon and legendary are not the same thing I just got them mixed them up sorry.
 

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She was holding her own for a few years but then Whitney took off and you know how they do us. There can only be 1 Black woman in the spotlight : unamused:

...Whitney was on the scene before Toni.

But I agree it’s annoying how the industry only wants one Black artist at a time. And then when there are more than one, they pit them against each other.
 

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Yes she is. Her singing voice is deep and sensual like no other. Her beauty is underrated. And her music is still timeless. Her personal life has nothing to do with her artistry.
 

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I mean, I don't even see how this is a question, but yes. She is definitely an icon.
 

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...Whitney was on the scene before Toni.

But I agree it’s annoying how the industry only wants one Black artist at a time. And then when there are more than one, they pit them against each other.

I never said she wasn’t. Whitney took off as in gained mainstream worldwide fame that overtook Toni’s. I’m not talking about who was out first.
 

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I never said she wasn’t. Whitney took off as in gained mainstream worldwide fame that overtook Toni’s. I’m not talking about who was out first.

Oh ok.

But my point was, Whitney had worldwide fame a year after her debut. Which was years before Toni was even in the picture. But ok :)
 

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