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I would say "sicilians" not all Italians. I lived in Sicily since my parents were in the navy and stationed there and there is a difference between southern italians and siciclians vs northern ones FOR SURE. Especially Sicilians.
 

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The Moors invaded Sicily. They were Black. They bred with the women and the result is that they're a mixed breed of European and Black. I know Italian women who adorn their crowns with creamy crack. lol

Anyway, study the Moors and you'll understand the great racial mixture, who civilized European whites, etc....

I personally don't proclaim that today's Italians as Black any more than I proclaim that Blacks who are products of mixed blood due to slavery are white.
 

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I read this about actress Marisa Tomie but they hide this fact about her

"Marisa’s parents are Italian, she has African ancestry through her mother. Her mother is 13% African, she found, through a DNA test, which would make Marisa 6.5%."

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Most BLACK people aren't saying biracials are not black because blacks are admixed themselves in the Americas and the Carribean. The people saying this in my opinion are white , white hispanics, other white passing biracials, or white mothers of biracial children, white teens, etc, who are posing as black people on the internet.

Its called internet black face. Not only do some whites like putting on black face in real life many are obsessed with acting as black people on the internet to cause divisions and trolling. They create user names and profiles pretending to be black.. They dont want people of color getting ahead of them.

Please read up on :internet blackface" its real.
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This site is swamped with digital black faces - it's as clear as day!
 

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Ok, just to put it out there, l am a ~YT~ LOL (l always thought that term here was funny, l don't mind it).

So that's a major reason l've lurked here without posting :LOL: But this site has a lot of read worthy info regardless.

l'm just not trying to play digital blackface or anything so wanted to be upfront, I don't want to step in anyone's lane,
lots of good topics here it seems like people just can't discuss anywhere else but I avoid topics that have nothing to do with me.

But anyway, yes l'm mostly Italian/Mediterranean and this was an interesting read. For my DNA results, l really get a hodgepodge and it heavily depends on the site, then l found out that l have Turkish ancestry and recent (living) Turkish relatives on 23andme who show as 2nd cousins or 1st cousins once removed.

As far as African DNA, l usually get around 3%, accounting for North African, some east, and some west. l have no idea whether it;s true that we technically have more African ancestry because it's become indistinguishable from the southern Italian DNA overtime. l usually show up as Greek anyway, which many Southern Italians do.

\My dad and some family members definitely fit the dark olive skinned ambiguous profile, this is often due to Greek, Middle Eastern, and some African ancestry with a lot of Mediterranean groups.
Kudos to you for outing yourself as a YT - I wish other YT's & non-melanated dominant peeps lurking on this site would do the same, so at least we (melanated dominate) know who we're dealing with......Out of curiosity how did you first come across this site?
 

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The Moors invaded Sicily. They were Black. They bred with the women and the result is that they're a mixed breed of European and Black. I know Italian women who adorn their crowns with creamy crack. lol

Anyway, study the Moors and you'll understand the great racial mixture, who civilized European whites, etc....

I personally don't proclaim that today's Italians as Black any more than I proclaim that Blacks who are products of mixed blood due to slavery are white.

The Moors weren't only Black. Africans were a significant portion though.

Anyways, I don't know why it would be a surprise that some Italians have African/Arab admixture. Does anyone study history anymore?
 

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I was looking at a recent pic of half black African American NFL star Colin Kapernick and he could pass for stereotypically Italian, like some other half black and white celebrities.

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Jamila Wideman too has a black African American dad looks stereotypical Italian

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Singer Halsey

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With her black dad
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I was reading a historical analysis. I need to find it that basically stated the "medittaranean" ethnicity was created by racist anthropologists and scientists to hide the fact that black African Moors were heavily mixing with White European women and basically created an entire subgroup of off white or exotic whites in Southern Europe.
 

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I was reading a historical analysis. I need to find it that basically stated the "medittaranean" ethnicity was created by racist anthropologists and scientists to hide the fact that black African Moors were heavily mixing with White European women and basically created an entire subgroup of off white or exotic whites in Southern Europe.
Mediterranean means the countries in Mediterranean sea. The majority of the European ones does not have a history with Moors.
Actually, only Spain, South Italy (Sicily) and Malta do.
 

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Mediterranean means the countries in Mediterranean sea. The majority of the European ones does not have a history with Moors.
Actually, only Spain, South Italy (Sicily) and Malta do.

Yes those are exactly the only countries I'm referring too.
 

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Found this funny commentary in the comment section of YouTube where an Italian girl admits that she is mixed and the other Italians are trying to come for her for being honest.

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It's nice to see an Italian finally being honest with themselves for once and admitting that they are a mixed people like this guy:



You’re not going to look like this without some admixture:

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You can be 100% Italian and STILL be a genetically mixed person (like most of the world). Nationality obviously has nothing to do with genetics and they are finally keeping it real with themselves.


Great post. Its definitely because of racism and African slavery, invasion and past African Moor domination that they hide it under "Mediterranean " or Iberian categories. Racist anthropologists didn't want to include the African negroid in thier dna and mongoloid Asian too.

They have completely left out subsaharan African out of the mix. But its obviously there in some.

I read also parts of Britain (the Welsh), Ireland, and Southern Germany has African and or Mongoloid added admixture influences too.
During the 19th and 20th century was the hieght of slavery and post slavery racism against blacks so they definitely wanted to distance themselves from admixture. Many whites are not pure as they act. And some don't even know they're admixture history because they never had to think about it or it didn't matter.

Its like what some hispanics are doing now from places like Puerto Rico. Cuba and the Dominican Republic theyre totally ignoring the African connection in favor of Spain when its obviously there.

An article stated that off white looking hispanics will also be absorbed soon into America as dark whites just like Italians have been.

Actress Catherine Zeta Jones has Welsh British ancestry but some have stated she is part Mediterranean or Mediterranean (mixed)because the admixture extended to some parts of Britain and Ireland.
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Dark Irish actress Bridgette Moynihan medditaranean influenced

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I was reading a historical analysis. I need to find it that basically stated the "medittaranean" ethnicity was created by racist anthropologists and scientists to hide the fact that black African Moors were heavily mixing with White European women and basically created an entire subgroup of off white or exotic whites in Southern Europe.
Still happening today with no shame!....
SMDH
 

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A couple of issues I'm seeing here with some posts is not understanding the history of migratory patterns of Africans over various periods of time (including AD periods, not always rulership or settling of areas, just being a general part of society), in addition to the misunderstanding of genetics.

Let's start with genetics:
Typical racist classifications like SSA are used to pigeonhole Africans to separate African populations so "other" can be claimed. Throw it out.​
African populations produce the most genetic variability and genetic variance in the world (you can look this up yourself), meaning you can produce different haplogroups and subclades and features and still be of African origin (like the original Berbers/North Africans/Moors & Khoisan (oldest population in the world). So you can have a haplogroup and/or subclade not be present in Africa but that population will still be of African descent (like the Etruscans).​
You can have different haplogroups within and outside a continent and still be of the same racial population group. Genetic distance doesn't determine race, that's not what it's used for. It just shows migration patterns and xes patterns, that's it.​
Africa, the most genetically diverse continent, is where modern humans, Homo sapiens, originated. Populations on other continents are descended from groups that migrated out of Africa many tens of thousands of years ago. These groups represent a fraction of the genetic diversity found on the African continent, and yet dominate studies of DNA — often with damaging consequences.​
For many years, for example, researchers erroneously thought that the genetic disorder cystic fibrosis, which severely shortens life, was not present in African populations1. As a result, diagnostic kits looked only for genetic variants found in European populations, missing many other variants found in African populations.​

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Migrations:
Over various periods of time Africans migrated to areas outside of Africa, eventually intermixing with later European migrants from inner Asia. Europeans are not native to Europe; they migrated from inner Asia to Europe (a peninsula of Asia, not a continent). Also many Asians (exple East) are White, they just aren't White in the sense of Anglo-Saxon etc. Take for instance Russians; these are Asians (regardless of the political and Eurocentric contrivances). In fact, Europeans are Asians, as Europe sits on the Asian continent. Although I don't like the term Eurasia, it's a better fit.​
The only persons that migrated out of Africa were Africans; these people first populated the world and created civilizations, that is fact, so you will find many of their descendants, for instance the Aeta of the Philippines, the Dravidians of India, other ancient African populations responsible for Buddhism etc, the Aboriginals of Australia, the Melanesians of Melanesia (who descend from the population (Lapita) that populated Papua New Guinea, Vanuatu, Fiji, Hawaii, Samoa, Tonga and parts of Indonesia- the Maluku people for example). This is why some Hawaiians, and the MAJORITY of Tongans and Samoans have an African look to them. Go to Fiji, they will tell you the history. Don't tell them they aren't Black/African. They will rip you to shreds lol. Go to Hawaii etc you will see for yourself the artifacts. Some of these areas had a lot of influx from later non-Black populations.
There was a time when other populations didn't exist except the African one. Many European populations have admixture either due to ancient or recent admixture. Many Sicilians have African ancestry, however you cannot go by haplogroups/subclades with a population that is capable of producing various kinds. What can be said is that those populations were African or mixed to some degree, as with the Moors at later points in time.​
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Visual Evidence:

Here I will explore some ancient photos of "Mediterranean" populations, over time these civilizations became very cosmopolitan, so you will have a mixed population, not necessarily mixed race (but yes that did happen), but simply a mixture of groups living amongst each other.

These pictures I don't fully detail regarding rulership or if it represents being just a general part of society. General society = military, bondage periods, general population etc. It's just to show the representation. I will include two mythologically based artifacts, as you get a sense of how important they are in understanding how impactful Africans were to the Greek and Roman civilizations; Africans are all up in it.

These visuals are just to show the African presence during various time periods in this area. I will however note if it's Etruscan, which was a rulership/civilization class, in addition to location and century of other artifacts. I highlight Etruscan because many people try to bring up genetics, as indicated earlier, it's irrelevant when dealing with the population that started everything.

Some of these artifacts (non Etruscan) have tried to be "explained away" typically of older scholarship lol, they tried, but it's way too many to the point that it's comical. They try to explain it away by suggesting that all these African artifacts in Greece and Rome were fascinations. It's ridiculous what they come up with to avoid the truth. Just know these were representations of African populations within ancient Grecian and Italian artifacts. There are hundreds if not thousands of artifacts of Africans represented in ancient Grecian and Italian art from 2000BC onwards and barely any/sparse representation of Europeans, which began around 500bc or so, that should give you a clue. Current research is slowly accepting the fact that Africans were much more present in Ancient Greek and Rome, this also covers their empires (which I exclude). The artifacts are too numerous lol.

No group fashions their civilization, vases, bowls, jewelry, antefixes, plays, murals & mythology after another group if that group didn't have a significant influence/founding/presence, period. You don't pay such attention to detail like that of someone else and not your own. The truth is that Africans were the founding culture for Greek and Roman civilization and thereafter as well had a large presence/influence (direct or indirect) in these places, hence the artifacts. The artists who produced the majority of these artifacts were primarily African or had African ancestry.

Later on these areas become more cosmopolitan; this is when we begin to see an inkling of it with the Janiform vases and Greek Mythology and theater vases.

For reference Ancient Greece = 1200BC-600AD
For reference Ancient Rome = 800BC-500AD
For reference Ancient Greece had major impact on Ancient Rome aka Greco Roman

Minoan and Crete pics will be included. This is original population.
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Ancient Greece and Rome/Italy, no particular order CONTINUED:
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These photos do not include African populations in other countries Ancient Greece and Rome controlled.
 

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Lol, that's not how any of this works. Sub-Saharan African DNA wouldn't get put into European. If the continental categories on a test is labeled correctly, they shouldn't be an overlap between them. Now for people of the same race (like Native American DNA sometimes being put into East or Central Asian) that can happen, especially where there are not enough Native American samples. But Native Americans are believed to have came from around Central Asia. So the test is just picking up ancient affinities between the two groups. You'd think it wrong if you didn't know sh!t about human migration. Same with how Malagasy people got half of their African DNA put into Cameroon/Congo on AncestryDNA. The African DNA in Malagasy people is Southeastern Bantu. Bantu people originated along the border between Cameroon and Nigeria. If you didn't know that, you'd be flabbergasted as to why a Malagasy person would score Cameroon on a DNA test. But that's why. Though, country/region categories can be iffy because they depend on where the individual DNA tests put them, but whether an Igbo gets put into Nigeria or Benin, they damn well will be put into Sub-Saharan Africa, so that's why continent categories are more accurate.

Sub-Saharan Africans, the black race, are more related to other Sub-Saharan Africans than they are to people outside of Africa. Nobody with sense will tell you otherwise.

I don't even know why you're on a thread about someone's DNA results when you don't even believe in it and especially for you to be calling someone else a liar. You were wrong. Like I said, most African Americans fall in the 80-85% African category, I've collected hundreds of DNA results of African Americans and counted this myself. I've also tested with almost every DNA test commercially available, including getting my father's DNA looked at by a professor with a PH.D. at the University of Illinois, and I've read the research papers and studies conducted on African American and our genetics.
this is a ChatGBT generated post if i've ever seen one.
 

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I'm African American and don't give a shyt about Italians having Sub Saharan African ancestry.

Italians are just as racist as other narcissistic/psychopathic whites and Asians so whatever.

I study African history and African culture. Not interested in skipping over the entire continent of Africa to find Sub Saharan Africans due to self hate.

If people are more proud of their psychopathic ancestors instead of their neurotypical ancestors, let them be!

 

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