But I AM responding to what you are saying. Have you not said what I'm responding to?
Thing is Debbie had offered to have Michael's children before Lisa had even became Michael wife. So, when Michael was single and thinking about starting a family was it shady and messed up then? Or did it only become shady when Debbie and Michael were talking about the issues in Lisa and Michael's marriage and she re-enforced her offer still stood and he was like "Hmmmmmm".
Debbie breathing is unethical to you, but I guess there is some magical pardon that makes Danny getting a place to live and possibly money from his wife just fine. While, Michael's wife Debbie is shady and unethical because she was given money. And you can spare me all the "evidence" that Debbie getting spousel support was all part of her shake down or whatever the heck you're claiming today. Part of the reason you can't understand anything is because you think their legal marriage was invaild because you think she was a paid empolyee. What you don't seem to realize is, no matter how much you dislike it, Michael marrying Debbie gave her the legal rights. You gain legal rights when you marry and have children with someone. That's a fact. And that's not blaming MJ at all. That's noting the obvious flaw in all this paying for babies bs. While Michael was brilliantly drawing up contracts he could have legally really made her a surrogate and not have married her. Hell, he could have just had Debbie be the carrier and gotten someone else's eggs. Since she was "nothing" in the process and that would have really made her a non factor. But he didn't do any of that. I don't have to twist anything your comments speak for themselves.
Of course you don't care where Danny gets his money from, but you do care where Debbie gets hers even though they got it the same way. I didn't say nor did I imply that Danny married Lisa for money, but if he was living on her property after the divorce she was supporting him. This, according to you and your posts, is wrong. I will say during the course of Lisa and Danny's marriage what to you think he paid for and how do you think he acquired some of what he had? Marriage does have a financial element even if love is supposed to be the primary motive. There is something to gain in combining incomes and sometimes the gain isn't equal. That seems to be something hard for people to understand.
There are only like 2-3 people on the whole Debbie was a big love train. And you can miss me with that whole obvious facts and real nature of their relationship bs. God himself could say you were wrong and you'd be like "Did that b!tch Debbie pay you to say that with the money she stole from Michael! ARGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!! TABLOIDS!!!!!"
And you really think it was none of Michael's business if Danny was living at his wife's home? It wouldn't have made more sense to put him somewhere close, but not ON the property? I'm starting to see a theme here and I'm wondering why some of you don't join a LMP fan site and talk about how great she is because I don't know of anyone that would go that far to excuse that. Lisa was not hurting for money. Danny could have lived somewhere else and if you think that didn't play into issues in their marriage you'd be crazy.
Wasn't Lisa also saying "do what I want or someone else will" when she went on "family" vacations with her ex-husband? Was that emotional blackmail too or, again, are we going to find a way to lessen her actions or blame Michael for her actions?
How do you know he didn't try and make her more comfortable with the idea? Or was trying to work on their relationship? Or was trying to understand where she was coming from? Or gave her a warning before that fateful conversation where he told her Debbie would be willing if she wasn't? Because Lisa didn't say he did any of that? Because no one's written a book and said he did it yet?
Nile Rodgers bio.
There's no need to read all of your posts as you say the same thing.
Um how am I inventing things when you brought up something Frank C. said to prove Michael was childish and you couldn't talk to him at all.
I'm sorry? Aren't you the one constantly inventing motives and thoughts for people based on your thoughts and the odd quote? The quotes you posted only prove that there was a possibility not that he himself was whole heartedly working towards that possibility. And how can you say he was happy period then ask me how do I know what he thought on the subject since he never spoke about it? lol
You must since you are the one that keep alluding to Michael's master plan to be a father and not a husband.
I'm sure my rant is no more impressive than yours or your collection of posts.
You don't think the woman that cheated on her husband with Michael and was seeing other men during when they were supposed to be "working on" their relationship wouldn't have been hooking up with Michael if his marriage was real. Um, okay.
She followed him; because he was on tour...you know what? Too easy. Next.
I didn't say he was dreamy and hopeful because of their relationship. I said he was all that because he was a father and maybe thought things could change for the better. Sleeping with each other and hanging out is not "getting back together and breaking up" nor is it working on the relationship. It's allowing your relationship to stay in a grey area and it's not moving on. It looked like Michael was in the process of getting over it and enjoying the taste of all that cake while he could.
Actually, from his own words, it wasn't that he realized he wasn't husband material. It was that he realized not only was his life style (as a public figure) and his career problematic, but also his own personality and habits could be an issue for a long term relationship. Many people that are used to putting their career first or marry late in life have this issue. It's hard thinking as two people when you are used to making your own decisions. His having children made him more careful and more thoughtful about who could be part of his life. Which might have kept him from getting married anymore after the 2nd marriage, but who knows what the future might have held since his children weren't going to be kids forever. I think he could have been happy with a woman as driven and open hearted as he was. Not sure if they make women like he needed anymore. The kind of woman that would love you so fiercely you werent even sure you deserved it. The only examples I can think of are older than him.
I don't think having children was higher on the list than a wife. I think the power play between Lisa and Michael (and Michael's age and 1993) drove it up a notch. The circumstance made it the most important thing. And you learn from every relationship not just the ones that include marriage. No, most couples are not in difference places in their lives. lol When most people get married there is usually a mutual understanding how the pair will get to the next stages as a couple and as individuals. Most people do not seek out partners that are not in the same stage or place as them. Most sane people don't seek out people that are still in their "go to clubs" stage when they are working on their career. Or an "I want to have kids" stage if that person is done. It's bound to be a source of friction unless the two people involved have some sort of understanding.
You are the one insisting everything Michael does is calculated. I said Brooke and Michael didn't have chemistry, but I didn't say that he didn't like at all. Unless you don't think men consider this at all, I'm pretty sure Michael thought Brooke was the kind of woman that would make a good wife and mother. However, I'm glad neither of them settled for the other because that relationship (as a romantic one) seemed a little stale and forced to be honest.