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North Carolina bill requires parents to be notified if a child acts in a way that doesn't conform to their gender

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This is just insane. GOP run states are horrible places to raise a family. Why does the state need to get involved in these incredibly personal matters?
 

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The strict gender norms is one of the reasons they got people thinking theyre transgender.

I'm sick of this sh!t.

If your son plays with the kitchen set instead of the toy trucks the left will insist he is actually a girl while the right will send a letter informing you of how your child is being corrupted.

People are so insane these days.

ETA: The ones groaning me must TRAs or gender obsessed nuts who like to put everyone in a pink or blue labeled box.
 
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I started to post 'There's no way this gets passed." but it's North Carolina so I wouldn't hedge any bets.


edit: and it tries to classify anyone 18-21 as a minor. That's a hot mess right there.
 

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I don’t agree with children transitioning but I don’t like this at all.

People have different standards so what if a teacher decides to make a big deal out of what they consider “gender nonconformity”. Just imagine if one of these anti-trans radicals are actually educators who have access to our children.. you don’t know what the hell they’re telling your child or making your child feel because THEY got triggered by the child’s behavior & considered it “incompatible with what the gender they were assigned at birth”

People still have very strong and rigid opinions about gender roles.

I don’t like it.
 

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ban any medical treatments for children under 18. anything else is unnecessary.

id accept this over nothing if it means the above, but its still too much.
 

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I started to post 'There's no way this gets passed." but it's North Carolina so I wouldn't hedge any bets.


edit: and it tries to classify anyone 18-21 as a minor. That's a hot mess right there.
Exactly, so this bill is North Carolina basically saying that parents should have control over their adult 18-20 year olds personal lives? Wtf??
 

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I don't agree with hormone treatment and surgery for minors but this is an overreach. Republicans claim to want smaller government but they don't mind the government in your intimate business for the lord.
 

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Government needs to stay out of all medical treatment unless it is peer-reviewed as unsafe.
 

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Why can't children be allowed to be children? These laws and their makers are interfering with something that is not of their concern.
 

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This is some serious misinformation. Read the bill. This is the actual PDF.
NC Senate Bill 514
Children should not get surgery or hormones or puberty blockers.
And sorry if my child is exhibiting symptoms of a mental illness, which gender dysphoria is, then every adult who sees it better have contacted me.
 

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Leave it to American politicians to handle a serious issue in the most stupid, ridiculous way possible.
 

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It’s so weird growing up being taught that nothing is male or female and to disregard all labels to now everything being hard stereotyped and people intentionally opting to wear more and more labels. Weirder still people trying to fit the labels rather than just fitting to themselves. I can’t relate and I must not have been paying attention because I didn’t see it coming. It really sprang up on me and my confusion only grows bigger.
 

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I was a tomboy growing up, so you mean to tell me my father would have gotten a call at work because I challenged all the boys to a footrace (and won!). He would have cursed out every single person who "complied" and tried and enforce whatever this law is. Really pathetic.
 

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Extremely dangerous. A child will get harmed/killed behind this.
This is some serious misinformation. Read the bill. This is the actual PDF.
NC Senate Bill 514
Children should not get surgery or hormones or puberty blockers.
And sorry if my child is exhibiting symptoms of a mental illness, which gender dysphoria is, then every adult who sees it better have contacted me.
No this is NOT misinformation. Read the entire bill. Let me help you. Page 4.Line 16.

"If a government agent has knowledge that a minor under its care or supervision has exhibited symptoms of gender dysphoria, gender nonconformity, or otherwise demonstrates a desire to be treated in a manner incongruent with the minor's xes, the government agent or entity with knowledge of that circumstance shall immediately notify, in writing, each of theminor's parents, guardians, or custodians. The notice shall describe all of the relevant circumstances with Reasonable specificity"
 

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This is some serious misinformation. Read the bill. This is the actual PDF.
NC Senate Bill 514
Children should not get surgery or hormones or puberty blockers.
And sorry if my child is exhibiting symptoms of a mental illness, which gender dysphoria is, then every adult who sees it better have contacted me.
Yeah that tweet in the OP intentionally left out the part about "if a child displays signs of gender dysphoria".

Sorry not sorry but a parent should be informed of any kind of health condition their child may have. If a child is showing signs of depression, ADHD, suicidal tendencies, etc the parents have to be informed about it so obviously the same should apply to gender dysphoria.

Why are TRAs always trying to isolate kids from their parents and go behind their backs? Minors can't even get tattoos without their parent's approval so why do they think it's ok to pump an adolescent full of puberty blockers and drugs while their parents are completely in the dark?
 

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Extremely dangerous. A child will get harmed/killed behind this.

No this is NOT misinformation. Read the entire bill. Let me help you. Page 4.Line 16.

"If a government agent has knowledge that a minor under its care or supervision has exhibited symptoms of gender dysphoria, gender nonconformity, or otherwise demonstrates a desire to be treated in a manner incongruent with the minor's xes, the government agent or entity with knowledge of that circumstance shall immediately notify, in writing, each of theminor's parents, guardians, or custodians. The notice shall describe all of the relevant circumstances with Reasonable specificity"
Read it. Linked it in my post. Agree with it. They should already be doing this.
If any child exhibits any form of mental illness then all adults and government agents should be contacting their parents.
 

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NC school administrator: Good morning freckledbruh! I’m calling you today to inform you that your daughter can do math. We think that she may be transgendered and you need to stop this now!
 

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It’s so weird growing up being taught that nothing is male or female and to disregard all labels to now everything being hard stereotyped and people intentionally opting to wear more and more labels. Weirder still people trying to fit the labels rather than just fitting to themselves. I can’t relate and I must not have been paying attention because I didn’t see it coming. It really sprang up on me and my confusion only grows bigger.

For real! Millennials and Gen X fought hard against labels. It was all about just being yourself and not letting anyone put you in a box. But now, it’s all about being labeled and fitting into the box that label creates. It’s all very weird and no one talks about it!
 

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Doesn't this have more to do with being a response to sketchy worthless teachers/admins basically forcing/bullying kids into being trans the moment they act differently but keeping secret from the parents until it's basically too late? I know there were lots of cases of this sh!t blindsiding parents and was all the woke teachers fµck!ng sh!t up.
 

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I started to post 'There's no way this gets passed." but it's North Carolina so I wouldn't hedge any bets.


edit: and it tries to classify anyone 18-21 as a minor. That's a hot mess right there.
Yes. Here, go fight in this war for me but you’re still a minor.
 

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Read it. Linked it in my post. Agree with it. They should already be doing this.
If any child exhibits any form of mental illness then all adults and government agents should be contacting their parents.
My post referred to you inaccurately calling the original misinformation. I didn't address your obvious ignorance.
 

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Extremely dangerous. A child will get harmed/killed behind this.

No this is NOT misinformation. Read the entire bill. Let me help you. Page 4.Line 16.

"If a government agent has knowledge that a minor under its care or supervision has exhibited symptoms of gender dysphoria, gender nonconformity, or otherwise demonstrates a desire to be treated in a manner incongruent with the minor's xes, the government agent or entity with knowledge of that circumstance shall immediately notify, in writing, each of theminor's parents, guardians, or custodians. The notice shall describe all of the relevant circumstances with Reasonable specificity"

Read it. Linked it in my post. Agree with it. They should already be doing this.
If any child exhibits any form of mental illness then all adults and government agents should be contacting their parents.
To me the problem is "gender nonconformity or otherwise demonstrates a desire to be treated in a manner incongruent with the minor's xes" can be vague. And if the child is in a religious school then that can be interpreted in any kind of way. It is hard to say how far people will take this and in the end stigmatize the child with something they may grow out of.

ON THE FLIP SIDE...I dont believe in hormone therapy especially for children as they are way too young to truly understand what is happening. As well as the fact that people are pushing the trans movement so heavily especially in children. I took it as a means to prevent teachers and other caretakers from trying to persuade children outside of what their parents may be telling the child. Some teachers or caretakers WILL go behind the parent's/guardian's back and influence the child with the trans way of thinking.

This is my own interpretation.

The problem is that with the lawmakers they leave everything open to interpretation and abuse loopholes.
 

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I was a walking contradiction between the ages of 4-11. Extremely girly/Extremely tom-boyish. I loved pretty dresses, My Little Pony and GLITTER! I was a cheerleader. I also LOVED to climb trees, swim in lakes, canals, rivers, etc... on Sundays and play with the boys. I was a fantastic football player (running back).

What in the world would a teacher do with me today? Make me give up half of who I was as a CHILD?
 

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I also LOVED to climb trees, swim in lakes, canals, rivers, etc... on Sundays and play with the boys. I was a fantastic football player (running back).

What in the world would a teacher do with me today?
Well obviously amputate your legs since they are facilitating your gender non-conformity.
 

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Read it. Linked it in my post. Agree with it. They should already be doing this.
If any child exhibits any form of mental illness then all adults and government agents should be contacting their parents.
I dont mind the part about gender dysphoria, but the gender nonconformity part is where I side eye the bill. Females should not be bound by social constructs. This is the reason why males think they can classify themselves as women, because they identify with stereotypes.

Not a damn person can answer what the hell a woman is. I have yet to see a single trans person answer this question without referring to old outdated stereotypes.
 

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My post referred to you inaccurately calling the original misinformation. I didn't address your obvious ignorance.
It left out an entire part of the sentence. That's misinformation.
Here is the entire bill. Read it.
click here
Common sense is not ignorance.
Dysphoria of all kinds IS a mental illness. If a child had anorexia it would be child endangerment if a adult knew and did not tell the parent. This is about children/minors an adult can do what they want with their health but a child has parents who deserve to know.
 

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To me the problem is "gender nonconformity or otherwise demonstrates a desire to be treated in a manner incongruent with the minor's xes" can be vague. And if the child is in a religious school then that can be interpreted in any kind of way. It is hard to say how far people will take this and in the end stigmatize the child with something they may grow out of.

ON THE FLIP SIDE...I dont believe in hormone therapy especially for children as they are way too young to truly understand what is happening. As well as the fact that people are pushing the trans movement so heavily especially in children. I took it as a means to prevent teachers and other caretakers from trying to persuade children outside of what their parents may be telling the child. Some teachers or caretakers WILL go behind the parent's/guardian's back and influence the child with the trans way of thinking.

This is my own interpretation.

The problem is that with the lawmakers they leave everything open to interpretation and abuse loopholes.
This is my point a parent has the right to know and some will try to discuss this without including a parent.. I'm ok if the occasional tomboys mom gets a call if it keeps parents in the loop of what's happening with their child.
 

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I dont mind the part about gender dysphoria, but the gender nonconformity part is where I side eye the bill. Females should not be bound by social constructs. This is the reason why males think they can classify themselves as women, because they identify with stereotypes.

Not a damn person can answer what the hell a woman is. I have yet to see a single trans person answer this question without referring to old outdated stereotypes.
I feel you but like I said above if a few tomboys moms get a call I think that's a small price to pay to keep parents in the loop when in comes to their kid. If you are going to talk to my kid about this then I want to know. Even if you are discussing my daughter being a tomboy I want to be in that conversation.
 

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This is some serious misinformation. Read the bill. This is the actual PDF.
NC Senate Bill 514
Children should not get surgery or hormones or puberty blockers.
And sorry if my child is exhibiting symptoms of a mental illness, which gender dysphoria is, then every adult who sees it better have contacted me.
this isn't overreach, everyone was overreacting. after reading this it even includes exceptions for children with actual, verifiable biological disorders such as chromosome issues.

i take back my complaint, all of this bill is fine.
 

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Extremely dangerous. A child will get harmed/killed behind this.

No this is NOT misinformation. Read the entire bill. Let me help you. Page 4.Line 16.

"If a government agent has knowledge that a minor under its care or supervision has exhibited symptoms of gender dysphoria, gender nonconformity, or otherwise demonstrates a desire to be treated in a manner incongruent with the minor's xes, the government agent or entity with knowledge of that circumstance shall immediately notify, in writing, each of theminor's parents, guardians, or custodians. The notice shall describe all of the relevant circumstances with Reasonable specificity"

And let’s remember “minor” includes 18-20 year old adults, and I think “government agent” would include state university employees and student health clinic providers. A mental health counselor would be required to inform a parent of an 18-20 year old if their adult child exhibits “gender nonconformity.”

And what does “gender nonconformity” even mean? According to what standards? That could mean anything depending on who you ask, and surely we aren’t going down the road of legislating gender roles.
 

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Yeah that tweet in the OP intentionally left out the part about "if a child displays signs of gender dysphoria".

Sorry not sorry but a parent should be informed of any kind of health condition their child may have. If a child is showing signs of depression, ADHD, suicidal tendencies, etc the parents have to be informed about it so obviously the same should apply to gender dysphoria.

Why are TRAs always trying to isolate kids from their parents and go behind their backs? Minors can't even get tattoos without their parent's approval so why do they think it's ok to pump an adolescent full of puberty blockers and drugs while their parents are completely in the dark?

Read it. Linked it in my post. Agree with it. They should already be doing this.
If any child exhibits any form of mental illness then all adults and government agents should be contacting their parents.

It's not misinformation.

It does exactly what that article says.

It specifically lists gender nonconformity.

Saying it doesn't when you now know the exact page in the bill to find it, is not simply misinformation.

It's a lie.
 

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Beats allowing schools to let children pick their gender without the parents knowledge. I can assume this bill was only passed to combat it.
 

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It's not misinformation.

It does exactly what that article says.

It specifically lists gender nonconformity.

Saying it doesn't when you now know the exact page in the bill to find it, is not simply misinformation.

It's a lie.
Leaving out the parts of a sentence in a quote which contains vital information is an attempt at misinformation.
 

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Leaving out the parts of a sentence in a quote which contains vital information is an attempt at misinformation.

Nope.

The thread title, tweet and the article the tweet is based on is right.

It does exactly what they say it does.

It specifically lists gender nonconformity.

What you are doing is deflection.
 

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The GQP have taken things way too far. What does it mean to be non gender compliant? So girls must wear pink dresses and boys must play with toy trucks? This bill is so invasive. This is some dystopian ish.
 

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