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"Kiss" is a great example of how Prince can give someone a direction, see where it takes them, and then elevate it even more.

What David Z did was undoubtedly give "Kiss" the breath of life - it's the beat that is so signature about that song. But Terry Casey's vocals are terrible and Prince pared the production down a bit so it's literally just the guitar, the drum machine, and his voice. Perfect.
 

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"Kiss" is a great example of how Prince can give someone a direction, see where it takes them, and then elevate it even more.

What David Z did was undoubtedly give "Kiss" the breath of life - it's the beat that is so signature about that song. But Terry Casey's vocals are terrible and Prince pared the production down a bit so it's literally just the guitar, the drum machine, and his voice. Perfect.
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Yes, he added the signature guitar riff a la James Brown. The key song elements -- melody, lyrics, stripped down bass-less minimalist arrangement, signature guitar and falsetto... are Prince. David did add the backgrounds (where Maz appears), and the signature intro... so he got credit.
But at the end of the day, it wasn't a 'Mazarati'-style song, so he put the song where it fit better. The record company hated it, thought it sounded like a demo, and the only reason it was released was because Prince was still big enough at the time to insist upon it. Nobody knew it was going to be a big hit. He also put out 'If I Was Your Girlfriend' as the 1st single off of SOTT... so not sure he put Kiss out just for big hit potential.
 

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Ok, here is the truth as it ACTUALLY HAPPENED:

Brownmark was putting Mazarati together. He needed help with songs. He came to Prince. Prince went into a studio and came out with this:



Mark took this skeletal track to David Z who turned it into this:



Prince heard the track, loved it, and like an Indian giver, took it back lol and it became this:



So to whoever asked if Prince wrote the lyrics for Kiss, YES, he wrote the lyrics AND the basic melody for Kiss. David Z expanded it and fleshed it out.

OK??? EVERYBODY GET IT NOW??

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.


Thanks for posting this. I always like hearing the evolution of a song. I heard the Mazarati version only once before. I appreciate what David Z did with Prince's demo, but Prince gave the song the charm and dynamics it needed to be a hit. The guy singing lead on the Mazarti version sounds like he was being forced to sing at gunpoint. His delivery is so monotone and passionless.
 

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I think it would have been nice if all of them could have received credit as all of them contributed.
 

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I think it would have been nice if all of them could have received credit as all of them contributed.
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They received credit for their background vocals, which were on the final product. And they were paid as any employee in America would be paid... by paycheck. It would have been nice if they paid Prince for the song (melody, basic song structure, lyrics), studio time, his production, rent, electricity, promotion (including his hourly rate for his time); also for his financial obligations to the label, his songwriting, and the end product -- the bassless, stripped down unique piece, with signature guitar and vocal elements, were his own. Do you get paid for trolling?
 
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They received credit for their background vocals, which were on the final product. And they were paid as any employee in America would be paid... by paycheck. It would have been nice if they paid Prince for the song (melody, basic song structure, lyrics), studio time, his production, rent, electricity, promotion (including his hourly rate for his time); also for his financial obligations to the label, his songwriting, and the end product -- the bassless, stripped down unique piece, with signature guitar and vocal elements, were his own. Do you get paid for trolling?


Excellent Smokey, thank you, I love how you detailed this here. These are the things I think about when any of those whiny b!tches get started. I don't question how he decided to pay nor credit people, there are just so many things we couldn't possibly know beyond even what you said here, and we know that anything can be said now that he's gone. I won't get drawn into those kinds of discussions because of that unknown factor. It's pointless. But I'm glad for those like yourself who put it all right out there.
 

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Excellent Smokey, thank you, I love how you detailed this here. These are the things I think about when any of those whiny b!tches get started. I don't question how he decided to pay nor credit people, there are just so many things we couldn't possibly know beyond even what you said here, and we know that anything can be said now that he's gone. I won't get drawn into those kinds of discussions because of that unknown factor. It's pointless. But I'm glad for those like yourself who put it all right out there.
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Many people work round the clock every day, without a spotlight, in environments and jobs that aren't too funky. Mark was so wealthy that he retired in 1992.
 

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They received credit for their background vocals, which were on the final product. And they were paid as any employee in America would be paid... by paycheck. It would have been nice if they paid Prince for the song (melody, basic song structure, lyrics), studio time, his production, rent, electricity, promotion (including his hourly rate for his time); also for his financial obligations to the label, his songwriting, and the end product -- the bassless, stripped down unique piece, with signature guitar and vocal elements, were his own. Do you get paid for trolling?


Let me remind you that because I have an independent viewpoint does not make me a troll. It means I have a different viewpoint.

BTW, I have a net worth of $1.4 million, don't need to work and certainly do not need to be paid to troll.

You don't own LSA.

Speaking of being paid...
 
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Let me remind you that because I have an independent viewpoint does not make me a troll. It means I have a different viewpoint.

BTW, I have a net worth of $1.4 million, don't need to work and certainly do not need to be paid to troll.

You don't own LSA.

Speaking of being paid...
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Just expressing my independent viewpoint. A religious scholar who doesn't think Prince can understand a book, a financial maven who thinks Prince is the only celebrity who had issues with financial advisors, a real estate specialist, drug specialist, hip replacement specialist who has everyone in the hospital in instant agreement with his every opinion; someone who feels entitled to assign song credits, and has meltdowns if someone doesn't think Prince committed suicide. Nope, I don't think you actually work.

Speaking of 'owning LSA', this particular forum is under STAN Fair:

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Let me remind you that because I have an independent viewpoint does not make me a troll. It means I have a different viewpoint.

BTW, I have a net worth of $1.4 million, don't need to work and certainly do not need to be paid to troll.

You don't own LSA.

Speaking of being paid...
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I like how people w/a different viewpoint are called whiny b!tches.


Well, when I made that comment it was in reference to his associates being whiny b!tches, not fans. Certainly not my fault you decided it was about you, but if you think the shoe fits......
 

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Well, when I made that comment it was in reference to his associates being whiny b!tches, not fans. Certainly not my fault you decided it was about you, but if you think the shoe fits......



I would like to comment to the 2 tiresome posters above who are omnipresent and need everyone to agree w/them 'or else'... (One of you used to be more balanced, though)

I have little interest in what you have to say as most of it defensive, cultish and shows little tolerance for a balance of views. Neither of you has the musical education, sophistication, sense of history or temperament to be the ones who tell everyone else who Prince was. I find it very arrogant. This should be a discussion site only.

I would suggest you put me on terminal 'ignore' as I am not speaking to you, and never have. I am speaking to the silent ones who don't post but
read.
Your 'myway or the hiway' approach to Prince
is narrow and nowhere describes the fullness and complexity of the man.

Once again you do not own the airwaves.
 
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Another New One-



Did anyone look at the new vid?

It made me wonder if the paparazzi took a picture Prince didn't want published and Big Chick took care of it?:LOL:

This vid makes Prince sound like a total diva but wise at the same time; made it seem Michael was setting Prince up to sound bad.
 

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I would like to comment to the 2 tiresome posters above who are omnipresent and need everyone to agree w/them 'or else'... (One of you used to be more balanced, though)

I have little interest in what you have to say as most of it defensive, cultish and shows little tolerance for a balance of views. Neither of you has the musical education, sophistication, sense of history or temperament to be the ones who tell everyone else who Prince was. I find it very arrogant. This should be a discussion site only.

I would suggest you put me on terminal 'ignore' as I am not speaking to you, and never have. I am speaking to the silent ones who don't post but
read.
Your 'myway or the hiway' approach to Prince
is narrow and nowhere describes the fullness and complexity of the man.

Once again you do not own the airwaves.
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This site is a stan site, and you obviously have a problem with that. Let me guess, you also have a doctorate in music and hence have far superior knowledge to even Prince himself. I have respect for a successful black business owner -- something you also abhor. What makes you think you have a right to be assigning Prince's musical credits? You didn't own Prince's business... the musicians he employed didn't either.
 
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I would like to comment to the 2 tiresome posters above who are omnipresent and need everyone to agree w/them 'or else'... (One of you used to be more balanced, though)

I have little interest in what you have to say as most of it defensive, cultish and shows little tolerance for a balance of views. Neither of you has the musical education, sophistication, sense of history or temperament to be the ones who tell everyone else who Prince was. I find it very arrogant. This should be a discussion site only.

I would suggest you put me on terminal 'ignore' as I am not speaking to you, and never have. I am speaking to the silent ones who don't post but
read.
Your 'myway or the hiway' approach to Prince
is narrow and nowhere describes the fullness and complexity of the man.

Once again you do not own the airwaves.
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Is this the sophistication and temperament you are referring to?

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PO2.jpg


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Lemme have a seat!


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Someone who spends all their time on 2 Prince forums, calling out 'cultish' behavior? One would think a nurse would be knee deep in Covid... I still think about Nursev... an actual nurse. My heart and prayers go out to her...
 

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Yeah I miss her, where the hell is she?
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She had caught Covid through work, had a long time of recovery and took time away from LSA, then came back to tell us about it and was posting for awhile. But she's now been away for longer than ever... Really hope she's okay.
 

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She had caught Covid through work, had a long time of recovery and took time away from LSA, then came back to tell us about it and was posting for awhile. But she's now been away for longer than ever... Really hope she's okay.

Oh no, I didn't know that she contracted covid. I hope she's doing okay.
 

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Oh no, I didn't know that she contracted covid. I hope she's doing okay.
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She was posting here on LSA after she had been in recovery, so thought she was okay... but hard to say now. I hope she's okay too.
 

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Hope NurseV is ok too
I miss her posting.
 
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This one was too Wendy/Lisa/ heavy. I am tired of them telling the world that they really wrote, played whatever and Prince was not the master mind/genius he was. I could go without them for a minute. I think they are biased and the residue of their words makes me feel uncomfy and I feel they are disrespectful to Prince.

Kiss is clearly a Prince masterpiece.

Peeps can stay mad and stop the rehashing of trying to discredit Prince.
 

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This one was too Wendy/Lisa/ heavy. I am tired of them telling the world that they really wrote, played whatever and Prince was not the master mind/genius he was. I could go without them for a minute. I think they are biased and the residue of their words makes me feel uncomfy and I feel they are disrespectful to Prince.

Kiss is clearly a Prince masterpiece.

Peeps can stay mad and stop the rehashing of trying to discredit Prince.
fµck those crusty hags.
 

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This one was too Wendy/Lisa/ heavy. I am tired of them telling the world that they really wrote, played whatever and Prince was not the master mind/genius he was. I could go without them for a minute. I think they are biased and the residue of their words makes me feel uncomfy and I feel they are disrespectful to Prince.

Kiss is clearly a Prince masterpiece.

Peeps can stay mad and stop the rehashing of trying to discredit Prince.
Agreed, if they were such talented songwriters how come they weren’t successful when they left Prince? How come they weren’t writing songs for other artists if they were so talented? Because Prince was the real genius, the rest were just backing musicians.
 

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This one was too Wendy/Lisa/ heavy. I am tired of them telling the world that they really wrote, played whatever and Prince was not the master mind/genius he was. I could go without them for a minute. I think they are biased and the residue of their words makes me feel uncomfy and I feel they are disrespectful to Prince.

Kiss is clearly a Prince masterpiece.

Peeps can stay mad and stop the rehashing of trying to discredit Prince.

It's the same sh!t wypipo have always done throughout rock history. Snatched glory away from the black pioneers of rock and roll. I'm tired of it.
 

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Another new one and this one is full of Susannah again, more on Morris and hints a Prince holding his $$$, people saying Prince was mean . . . . The beginning of being in France to shoot UTCM.

 

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Another new one and this one is full of Susannah again, more on Morris and hints a Prince holding his $$$, people saying Prince was mean . . . . The beginning of being in France to shoot UTCM.


This is mostly Pepe Willie stirring sh!t in this video. So he represented Morris and also worked with Jesse. That dude was in the thick of things. Pepe said that if prince did something for you he thought he owned you. Dude, Morris was under contract and owed money to Prince and WB. That's life. WB owned Prince. Prince owned those who worked under him and were under contract to both him and WB. Change the system. stop making it personal. Prince learned not to hate those in system but to change the system for himself and others. I didn't know that Prince thought that Morris' mom thought he was the devil. It sounds like it bothered him. Considering he thinks she ripped off the band, its no wonder there was tension. Also, I know Prince could be mean but how many times do people have to say it while they (meaning Susannah) later describe how they were intimate. How about a bit more balance about the man in these clips. Jeez.

Back to sh!t-stirrer Willie, his comment that I quoted earlier probably had more to do with that stupid release of their earlier 94 East album promoted and labeled to exploit its connection to prince. I swear that guy had two hands to play...his sh!t stirring and one Prince affliated album. Isn't it ironic that only Jesse and Morris (both folks who worked with Pepe) felt that Prince tried to sabotage them later. Not even bitter ass Mark Brown believes that. Hmm. coincidence???? Tells Prince that Owen that doesn't care about him. Tells Jesse that Prince's demo sounds exactly like his so therefore no credit need be given to anyone but him. Tells Morris he is entitled to leave a contract with no limits or financial obligations.
 

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Another new one and this one is full of Susannah again, more on Morris and hints a Prince holding his $$$, people saying Prince was mean . . . . The beginning of being in France to shoot UTCM.


Speaking of crusty hags. I will just take your word on this one. Don't want to listen to her.
 

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Wendy being WRONG about Lisa introducing Prince to Joni Mitchell's music. Prince knew Joni's music way before he met her. It's the reason he changed his mind about letting her go, FFS.
 

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Another new one and this one is full of Susannah again, more on Morris and hints a Prince holding his $$$, people saying Prince was mean . . . . The beginning of being in France to shoot UTCM.




This is kind of a nothing burger.
Hearing Jerome is kinda new.
But there is no new information.
 

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Wendy being WRONG about Lisa introducing Prince to Joni Mitchell's music. Prince knew Joni's music way before he met her. It's the reason he changed his mind about letting her go, FFS.
How many times does Joni have to tell HER story before the Melvoins stop spreading lies???

Joni Micthell Prince...he attended one of my concerts in Minnesota. I remember seeing him sitting in the front row when he was very young. He must have been about 15. He was in an aisle seat and he had unusually big eyes. He watched the whole show with his collar up, looking side to side. You couldn’t miss him—he was a little Prince-ling. [Laughs.] Prince used to write me fan mail with all of the U’s and hearts that way that he writes. And the office took it as mail from the lunatic fringe and just tossed it!

 

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