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Why did they not look outside the family for a replacement. This is what happens when you coronate someone.

Walter was gay. So how did Jamie feel about his father.
 

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That church sound like a hot mess all the way around. I can't believe people support it period.
 

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Well this doesn't surprise me at all when it comes to churches during these days.

But from what I read, I think Jamie was not strong enough nor knowledgeable enough to lead anyone and his position should have been evaluated before given. However when it comes to Jamie silencing the Co-Pastor for being gay I don't think it was a bad idea after all the bible says that that lifestyle is a sin, {not exactly stated that way} but on the other if the church knew of that pastor's lifestyle and his father did too why bother to change things around.

I think if Jaime didn't want to do things they way they were done when his father was alive then he should have started his own ministry. Because it is clear that the church was comfortable with the way things were done before he took over.

I'm so glad I don't go to church, and I'm not implying that all churches are bad but I've learned so many things outside of church.
 

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From the article, he really didn't go to church.Only when his father got really sick, he started playing the piano at the church. So he wasn't really active.
 

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Wow, I did not know that!

Oh Yes!! That is why Tramaine divorced him, found him in the bed at their home , and their bed, with another man. about 25 years ago.

Edwin and Walter gay!


First cousin Shirley Miller is married to Yvette Flunder who is Bishop at her own church.

Come into the gospel tea thread and you will learn a lot.

Anyways, Jamie had not training and just because he was the son of Walter does not mean he was/is the right man for the job.

I'm sure Jamie also has some issues with his father being gay, and some resentment, but he is /was still his father.
 

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I am glad you filled in the details Metro.

Just look at those boys. Yall can't tell they gay?

GEEEEESSSSSHHHHH
 

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I was just wondering this week what would become of this church. I saw Jaime Hawkins on TBN and I was surprised when I heard him speak. There was no depth whatsoever. You could tell he really didn't know the Word.

I saw some footage of Walter Hawkins' funeral and Bishop Moales prophesied over him and told him he would step in the father's footsteps and be the pastor...but it wasn't time yet. Seems like they just bypassed that part and made him the pastor within a matter of months. This is sad. A lot of lives will be effected by this.

Haven't read the article, but saw lots of pics on facebook of his ordination. According to the pics, his mom Tremaine Hawkins rejoined the church at the ordination.
 

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If you watch Donald Lawrence Finale CD. You will see Walter with his lover. He is a dark skin guy sitting next to him.
 

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Lets be real. People went to that church cause the Hawkins were there.

Now that Walter gone, the church is gone.
 

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It was said in the gospel tea thread that Jamie wasn't ready to be pastor and that a lot of members had a problem with it. And who didn't know Walter Hawkins was gay? I didn't know Edwin was until I read the other thread.

ITA with veman those members were there for Walter Hawkins it's just like the rest of these artist that pastor churches most of the members are there for the celebrity that is the pastor and once he lives or passes on there go the members. It happens all the time.
 

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That blog was somewhat difficult to read. I could only make out half of what the person wrote.


Gah, I thought it was just me. I felt like someone just whispered an entire conversation to me. Anyway-


You can't expect a brand new leader to lead the same ole way. If you don't like the way something is run DO IT YOURSELF or LEAVE.

*backs out of thread*
 

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Whoopity doo...just a regular black family with regular sh!t going on that makes money off of fairy tales and outdated versions of the bible.
 

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That church sound like a hot mess all the way around. I can't believe people support it period.
Whomever wrote that blog needs to go back to school, because they damn sure can't spell or put a sentence together properly. Ain't no gossip like church gossip...SMH!
 

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Whoopity doo...just a regular black family with regular sh!t going on that makes money off of fairy tales and outdated versions of the bible.
Outdated versions? Do you believe it is fairy tales or that it is outdated? Because how can it be both?
 

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It was said in the gospel tea thread that Jamie wasn't ready to be pastor and that a lot of members had a problem with it. And who didn't know Walter Hawkins was gay? I didn't know Edwin was until I read the other thread.

ITA with veman those members were there for Walter Hawkins it's just like the rest of these artist that pastor churches most of the members are there for the celebrity that is the pastor and once he lives or passes on there go the members. It happens all the time.
He was gay?
 

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No disrespect to the dead or anything.

But Walter was sugar sweet from pics alone.Those 1970 conks.....

Chile.......Limp wrist....
 

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No disrespect to the dead or anything.

But Walter was sugar sweet from pics alone.Those 1970 conks.....

Chile.......Limp wrist....

in 1980 to about 2000, yes..real sweet and Edwin still wears them I think.. LOL
 

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I am tic.kled. at those who didn't know they were gay.


No really...I AM tickled!
 

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Outdated versions? Do you believe it is fairy tales or that it is outdated? Because how can it be both?

It is both.

They're fairy tales.

AND

They're versions of the bible that just came out earlier this year that have been "updated" and words changed and retranslated to be made more modern...or in other words changed so that people don't keep realizing what a crock of sh!t it is.
 

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Where is the poster Walter Hawkins?


Lets be real. People went to that church cause the Hawkins were there.

Now that Walter gone, the church is gone.

Here I am and I got a lot to say!!!! (my computer is making my postes
come out gapy so look over it just drink the tea!!!)

[ I just got off the phone with one of the Hawkins Family members..prior
I talked to some of The Love Center members...So I'm not just running
off at the mouth...I've been knowning all the Hawkins since I was a
child I traveled and did concerts with them and various other gospel-
superstars and some of the Hawkins Family memebers are related 2 me.
This what I am saying is coming straight from the horses mouth and
from what I know...I done been 2 Love Center prior and after Walter
died...........And for the record Walter was Gay!!!!! & so is Edwin!!!!!


The poster passionfruit I don't know why you groan Metrolady & NCGirl
everything they typed is the gospel truth!!! (deal with it)!!!!!! Now....
I had posted a while back that Walter Hawkins son Jamie had been...
installed as the pastor and a lot of the members wasn't happy about
it including the Hawkins..(go back and check my postes) So don't come
at me like I am a liar b/c I'm not ..I know what I am talking about I'm
on the inside.


Yes Jamie Hawkins stepped down this past sunday b/c they didn't like
how he was running the church. First thing Jamie did was started clean-
ing out all the homosexuals out the church. He said if you were in the life style you couldn't hold a position in the church....he was going on his
father Bishop Walter Hawkins instructions....Its true that Jamie is a
R&B secular artist and his wife Sunny Hawkins sings gospel. Jamie was
doing well he would come and play the keyboard for his Dad. But when
Walter knew for a fact he probably wouldn't make it he called his son.


He didn't call his brother Edwin or Daniel Hawkins he called his son
plus he confided in the Late Bishop Kenneth Moales who did his eulogy
that he wanted his son to take over the church.. Jamie expressed 2
his father that he couldn't do it but his father told him he had faith in
him that he could do it.


Isn't it strange he did want his brothers too take his place?????:no:
He wanted his son (and their is a reason 4 that) I wont go into that.
But Walter sat Jamie down and told him these exact words..........



Don't let the flesh beat you down!!!!! (that was my mistake
Walter said)!!!!!!!!:err:I let the Flesh beat me down!!!!

They beating up on Jamie and Jamie is only trying to do what
his father told him to do....Walter went on to say that the his church-
Love Center was out of hand and it was to far gone for him to do some-
thing about it but with a new adminstration (his son Jamie) the church
could start out on a new foot.


[Bishop Walter Hawkins also confided to several people's
close to him (And I heard it 2)!!!!!

That God had warn him that if he didn't straighten out
the church right away ...GOD WAS GOING 2 KILL HIM!!!!!:skeleton:::
[/B]
[/I]

Walter knew that Edwin wasn't pastor material...(he got a hot temper)
I saw him go off on former Love Center members who came for tickets
for Walter funeral he blasted them...told them No!!!! they weren't welcome
at Walters Funeral and we don't need you blah blah blah just a hot mess
but in all fairness Walter's daughter Trystan told them off 2. Jamie is
more easy going like his father (I've known him his since a baby)

Walter felt the church was so out of control and it was, that he
had let so much go on he had made his bed hard so he had to lie in
it...Obnoxious is not telling the whole story...he's trying to paint it
like Jamie is the monster in this story!!! He didn't tell how Ronnie Mc
Farland went and got a lawyer after Jamie sat him down from his position
and told him he couldn't function there at Love Center as a homosexual
Ronnie got a lawyer and sued Jamie!!!!!!!!

And Obnoxious is also not telling(b/c he probably don't know) that
the lawyer came and told Jamie (after Ronnie sued him) that their is a
law that stipalates that you can not speak against homosexuality over
the pulpit:err:........Now what kind of Law is that??? I ani't never heard
of it and many others ani't either....... Thats when Jamie said I'm OUT!!!!



Though I can't get into right now how Jamie mother the Legendary
Tramaine Hawkins is taking this(trust she's on her son side)...It is not
the way Obnoxious got it reading in the article like age 35 and under
is with Jamie......bull!!!!! Not true @ all:no:



Gospel Super-Star Daryl Coley who is back here living in the bayarea
b/c this is where he is from...and he's a member of the Love Center
Church and his kids....Walter was his daughter Godfather.......


Daryl Stood up and told the church when Jamie said he was stepping
down !! Daryl said I;m out 2.....He said I'm going where every Jamie
goes.(Daryl is in his 50's) he ani't under 35... another friend of mine
joined ranks with Daryl she's in her 40's and a lot of the older folks said
they were going with Jamie b/c they were tired of the homosexuality
going on their at love center.



Edwin Ought to be ashamed of himself talking about his nephew like
that but nothing he does suprises me..I wrote about how he screw
my friend over for the Song Oh Happy Day....and she helped him rearra-
nged that song..go to the Gospel Tea Thread and read my postes on
what he did 2 her.....And a lot of the members said Jamie should of fired
his Aunt Lynette Hawkins Stephens b/c she hadn't been to church but
once (when they installed Jamie) since Walter Died none of the Hawkins
had been 2 church....they didn't like it that Jamie was becoming the
pastor..none of them...but Tramaine use to catch hell from 2 of Walter's
sisters back in the day:thinking: I wont even go into that..they were
just jealous of her.(B/c Tramaine could sing & Walter made her the main
lead singer of the Hawkins)


The Hawkins just opened up a new resturant called DE Lite
Hawkins Family Cafe in Manteca and that's where they be most of
the time trying to run that resturant.Edwin is one of the Head chef's
there.



And another thing on Ronnie Mc Farland he was married and has
a daughter and he left his wife for his lover.

@ Verman96054...You said that people went to that church b/c
of the Hawkins now that Walter is gone?......I beg 2 differ with u yes
of course people gone come b/c of the celebrity factor..but you said
just Walter.....Edwin Hawkins was a bigger star than Walter was believe
it or not...Walter got his start singing in his brother group The Edwin
Hawkins Singers...when they sung as kids around the bayarea Walter
wouldn't sing with them in the beginning b/c he couldn't carry a tune
:laugh:


And he turned out to be a muuuuuuuuuuuch better singer than Edwin
Lynette Hawkins Stephens is a star in her own right. Gospel SuperStar
Daryl Coley is back at Love Center and several of the local gospel artist here in the bayarea I could name that still go 2
Walter church even though he's dead now.
.

After Walter died and I took on his name as my username a lot
of posters didn't even known who he was??? Just as I was getting
P.m.s from those who knew who he was and wanted to ask me questions. I was getting some from posters like who is Walter?
I know who Edwin Hawkins is.


If Walter was here he wouldn't like that his son is being treated
this way..& Jamie's right his Grandmother gave Walter the Money 2
start the church and record the 1st Love alive album..and another
thing people aren't aware of is Bishop Ernestine Cleveland Reems-Dick
erson Jamie & Tramaine Aunt and Jamie's Grandmother Lois sister is
mentoring Jamie and guiding him in his directions along with his late
father Bishop Walter Hawkins how too clean up the church.

I will try to keep this thread abreast of any new development..the
family member gave its blessing for me to keep the record straight...
I'm leaving 2 go take care of my sister in a few day b/c of a major-
surgery she's having but while I'm here I will tell what I can!!!!!!...
I think the best thing 2 come out of this is that we all feel that Bishop Walter Hawkins got it right with god..for him 2 tell
his son what he did.


And That is a blessing within itself!!!!:dance:
Sad it had 2 go down like this and tomorrow is his birthday.
Rest In Peace Bishop Walter L Hawkins~~~:rose:
 

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Whoopity doo...just a regular black family with regular sh!t going on that makes money off of fairy tales and outdated versions of the bible.
How about you whoopity doo out this thread. This a gossip thread what did you expect.
 

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Here I am and I got a lot to say!!!! (my computer is making my postes
come out gapy so look over it just drink the tea!!!)

[ I just got off the phone with one of the Hawkins Family members..prior
I talked to some of The Love Center members...So I'm not just running
off at the mouth...I've been knowning all the Hawkins since I was a
child I traveled and did concerts with them and various other gospel-
superstars and some of the Hawkins Family memebers are related 2 me.
This what I am saying is coming straight from the horses mouth and
from what I know...I done been 2 Love Center prior and b/4 Walter
died...........And for the record Walter was Gay!!!!! & so is Edwin!!!!!


The poster passionfruit I don't know why you groan Metrolady & NCGirl
everything they typed is the gospel truth!!! (deal with it)!!!!!!

Probably because she is Yvette Flunder.

Now....
I had posted a while back that Walter Hawkins son Jamie had been...
installed as the pastor and a lot of the members wasn't happy about
it including the Hawkins..(go back and check my postes) So don't come
at me like I am a liar b/c I'm not ..I know what I am talking about I'm
on the inside.


Yes Jamie Hawkins stepped down this past sunday b/c they didn't like
how he was running the church. First thing Jamie did was started clean-
ing out all the homosexuals out the church. He said if you were in the life style you couldn't hold a position in the church....he was going on his
father Bishop Walter Hawkins instructions..
.
.Its true that Jamie is a
R&B secular artist and his wife Sunny Hawkins sings gospel. Jamie was
doing well he would come and play the keyboard for his Dad. But when
Walter knew for a fact he probably wouldn't make it he called his son.


He didn't call his brother Edwin or Daniel Hawkins he called his son
plus he confided in the Late Bishop Kenneth Moales who did his eulogy
that he wanted his son to take over the church.
. Jamie expressed 2
his father that he couldn't do it but his father told him he had faith in
him that he could do it.


:rose:

Walter this is too much right now!!! On one hand it sends chills up and down my spine, to know that this man, Walter Hawkins, went against the grain and accepted that he had done wrong all these years and tried to fix it for his son. I find that man to be a true believer. I'm sure through all his pain it must have been hard to realize that and try to make amends. I know he is in a place where there is no more dying. He is resting in peace, and he is okay. I am happy to know this. I am going to lift Jamie in prayer, because he will need it. He can still start Love Center over, this was only part of his growing pains, that we all have to suffer with when we start something new and usually when God calls us to do it.

The sad thing is that these people have lived in this so long, even though Walter started it. That they don't want to change. They have reprobate minds. That's it, when they think like that, there is nothing you can do. Even God turns them over.

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that he knew that his disease was judgment from God, and he still accepted it with a smile and tried to change it before going home.

I even know i my sins that I am wrong, and I try to crucify my flesh daily and live like it. It is hard, but we all must reap whatever we sow. That is a promise.


RIP Brother Walter Hawkins: His songs got me through a many tearful nights, for real.

I'm Going Away

(I'm going away, I'm going away),
to a place, I'll live eternally,
special place prepared just for me;
I'm going away,
(I'm going away, away).

Verse 2:
I'm going away, I'm going away,
no more tears or sorrow over there,
we will live free from every care;
I'm going away,
(I'm going away, away).

Bridge:
One of these mornings it won't be long,
(You will look for me and I'll be gone).
Going to Glory to sing and shout,
(there'll be nobody there to put me out);
(I'm going away, I'm going away).

Verse 3:
I'm going away,
I'm going away,
to a place (prepared just for me)
a special place (I'll live eternally)
(I'm going away, I'm going away).



Sopranos:
Soon and very soon
we're going to see the King.

Soon and very soon
we're going to see the King.
 

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Walter this is too much right now!!! On one hand it sends chills up and down my spine, to know that this man, Walter Hawkins, went against the grain and accepted that he had done wrong all these years and tried to fix it for his son. I find that man to be a true believer. I'm sure through all his pain it must have been hard to realize that and try to make amends. I know he is in a place where there is no more dying. He is resting in peace, and he is okay. I am happy to know this. I am going to lift Jamie in prayer, because he will need it. He can still start Love Center over, this was only part of his growing pains, that we all have to suffer with when we start something new and usually when God calls us to do it.

The sad thing is that these people have lived in this so long, even though Walter started it. That they don't want to change. They have reprobate minds. That's it, when they think like that, there is nothing you can do. Even God turns them over.

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that he knew that his disease was judgment from God, and he still accepted it with a smile and tried to change it before going home.

I even know i my sins that I am wrong, and I try to crucify my flesh daily and live like it. It is hard, but we all must reap whatever we sow. That is a promise.


RIP Brother Walter Hawkins: His songs got me through a many tearful nights, for real.

Beautifully said Metrolady your post made me:cry:...Yes I too believe
my friend Walter Hawkins is now resting with Jesus and he is okay.My
heart goes out to Jamie 2. Lets lift him in prayer.. 2 hear your Dad tell U
he was wrong all this years and in short don't do like I did. And for Jamie
to take that message and stand up against his family the Hawkins and the
Love Center Family shows what kind of man Jamie is(he didn't condone)
his fathers life style!!!! It is a lot to take in....I've been in a blank-stare
since getting off the phone 2day with some of the family.(U hit it on
the head repobate mind) & we reap what we sow whether good r bad.

I'll say this Jamie is not by himself he's not only a Hawkins but he's a
Cleveland by way of his mother Tramaine and they roll deep!!! U r right
Walter wrote some songs that is still minstering 2 so many people over
30 years later......The song you posted is just one of many beautiful
songs he wrote. His songs yet minister 2 me like u when I going thru!!
Thanks MetroLady:hug:...Happy Birthday Walter..!!!!!!!!

May 18 1949----- July 11 2010 :rose-dead:


 

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QUOTE: Probably because she is Yvette Flunder.

What:err:????????????....I truly hope not b/c she don't want me to
get aloose up in here on her. She got upset with Walter b/c she wanted Love Center to be a straight out church strictly known
for homosexuals and Lesbians but Walter said :no:......So she left and started her a church across town for homosexuals and lesbians and transgenders::talktohand:
 

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When Jamie and the rest of the Hawkins family were on TBN last August, I remember thinking, "can he really take over his father's church?" Ofcourse, they are big, heavy shoes to fill, but I was more concerned with the fact that he was mostly on the road with secular acts and didn't seem to have enough theological training.

After reading the mess that is going on there from OP's article, I'm wondering if he should've just left LC at the beginning and started a whole new church so he could've avoided all of this drama, but after reading Walter Hawkins' post, I now understand why he decided to pastor his father's church. If that's what his father wanted, one of his last wishes, the church should accept that. Unfortunately, they're not ready for change or being CHANGED just like Walter's song. All my life I've heard how homosexuality was rampant and acceptable at that church. I'm surprised some didn't know Walter and Edwin were/are gay, that's all I've ever heard from family members and church folk who followed them.

Just in case anyone missed it, this is when TBN did their tribute to Walter last August. I thought it was a well done tribute with the Hawkins family and Andre and Sandra Clark:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LGgKoUB28I&feature=related"]YouTube - Jamie Hawkins on TBN 8-24-10 Life of Walter Hawkins[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApHyHlQDZeI&feature=related"]YouTube - Lynette Hawkins Stephens on TBN 8 24 10 Life of Walter Hawkins Part 2 of 2[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jwmuzw3RrQ&feature=related"]YouTube - Edwin Hawkins on TBN Interview about O Happy Day 8-24-10[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eBRj08eF3o&feature=related"]YouTube - Edwin Hawkins on TBN 8-24-10 History of Love Center Church - Walter Hawkins[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4pdyTC1B4I&feature=related"]YouTube - Feddie & Daniel Hawkins On TBN on 8-24-10 Talking of life of Walter Hawkins[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn1HGMYLTZs&feature=related"]YouTube - Andrae & Sandra Crouch on TBN 8-24-10 Life of Walter Hawkins[/ame]
 

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