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They are both reactionaries and capitalist loyalists. Commie is an insult bc they think there is a secret plot to install communist world order. But their understanding of communism comes out of Nazi propaganda (not sure if most are aware of this tho).

Paradise is a non-white Brazilian who thinks Europe colonized Africa to stop the spread of Islam. Tulip thinks Obama is part of a secret plot by Muslims to take over the world.

@sosie thinks...oh wait.. @sosie doesn't think
 

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Back to the topic..



Vasilly said in the OP that per the Organisation of the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), in section 9.2, the U.K. is required to provide the sample for a joint investigation within 10 days. UK hasn't done that.



Lavrov reinterates the point that the U.K. is required to provide a sample to any country it suspects is the origin of any toxic agent, in this case Russia. U.K. hasn't done so.


James Corbyn, potential PM, asks for more investigation. (Video is less than 2 minutes)



Leader of the UK’s Labour party Jeremy Corbyn has called on the British government to not act hastily in its investigation into the attempted murder of former Russian spy, Sergei Skirpal, and his daughter, Yulia, in Salisbury earlier this month.

UK Shouldn't 'Rush Ahead of Evidence' in Skripal Investigation - Jeremy Corbyn
 
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Maria Zaharova is the representative of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs



She mentions three other Russian deaths on U.K. soil, and asks why those weren't investigated.

1. Perepilichny

Alexander Yurevich Perepilichny was a Russian businessman and whistleblower who died, aged 43, while jogging near London in 2012, after leaving Russia in 2009. However, the inquest into his death continues. (He was posioned with plutonium. Last I checked that's a serious chemical :disdain)


2. Litvinenko

Alexander Valterovich Litvinenko was a British naturalised Russian defector and former officer of the Russian FSB secret service who specialised in tackling organised crime. According to US diplomats, Litvinenko coined the phrase Mafia state.

Assassinated: November 23, 2006, Fitzrovia, London, United Kingdom

3. Berezovsky

Boris Abramovich Berezovsky was a Russian business oligarch, government official, engineer and mathematician. He was a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences.Wikipedia

Died: March 23, 2013, Sunninghill, United Kingdom
Cause of death: Open verdict


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All of a sudden Skripal is attacked and nations are calling for action and condemning Russia at a UN meeting. The country that holds the grevienve refuses to show any evidence that its grievance is legit and therefore is itself breaking international law.

Oh and I'm sure Russia is crying that Prince William won't be coming to the World Cup.
 

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One minute video on Russia expelling 35 diplomats in response to U.K. expelling 23 diplomats.

 

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Before people say it's photoshopped, there are a lot of legit publications using the same photo. Here is sky news.

Spy poisoning: Novichok inventor says hundreds could be at risk for years

05:58, UK, Wednesday 14 March 2018

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By Hannah Thomas-Peter, US Correspondent

A Russian chemical weapons scientist has told Sky News that people exposed to even tiny traces of the nerve agent used to attack a spy and his daughter in Salisbury could be in danger of developing symptoms in years to come.

Spy poisoning: Novichok inventor says hundreds could be at risk for years

Exposed to small amounts is hazardous, but a fireman isn't wearing a protective suit?


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In regards to the "inventor," his full name is Vil Mirzaynov but I'll just refer to him as "Vil."

As Vasilly (ambassador in OP) mentioned, Russia was developing chemicals in the 70s, up until shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they stopped in 1992.

Novichok was developed in Uzbekistan, which at the time was part of the Soviet Union.

1999 New York Times article below

U.S. and Uzbeks Agree on Chemical Arms Plant Cleanup
By JUDITH MILLER
MAY 25, 1999



The United States and Uzbekistan have quietly negotiated and are expected to sign a bilateral agreement today to provide American aid in dismantling and decontaminating one of the former Soviet Union's largest chemical weapons testing facilities, according to Defense Department and Uzbek officials.

After touring the plant last year, inspectors from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, the Hague-based agency that oversees the 1993 treaty banning chemical weapons, concluded that the institute may have tested weapons but was not a production site.

U.S. and Uzbeks Agree on Chemical Arms Plant Cleanup

According to Vasilly, no chemical developments under the name Novichok were carried out from the 1970s-1992. However, if it was a state secret then obviously he has to say that and deny. Doesn't matter anyways because the OPCW and the UN confirmed that Russia did in fact destroy its stock piles in 2017.

Back to Vil. Vil defected to the US in 1996. He wrote a book about Novichok and he put the formula in the book! I'm not gonna post the title but you can find it easily.

Vasilly said that some Russian scientists defected to the US and may have taken files and/or samples with them and that they're "well known." Obviously one of the people he's referring to is Vil.

There could have been black markets all over the world taking advantage of the collapse and getting their hands on all types of chemicals.

I don't know if chemical weapons have any types of footprints. If so, that might be a reason May refuses to give a sample.

 

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Russia is to expel 23 British diplomats in a row over the nerve agent attack on an-ex spy and his daughter in the UK.

The Russian foreign ministry said the UK staff would be expelled from Moscow within a week in response to Britain's decision to expel 23 Russian diplomats.

It also said it would close the British Council in Russia, which promotes cultural ties between the nations, and the British Consulate in St Petersburg.

Russia to expel 23 UK diplomats in spy row
 

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Russia is to expel 23 British diplomats in a row over the nerve agent attack on an-ex spy and his daughter in the UK.

The Russian foreign ministry said the UK staff would be expelled from Moscow within a week in response to Britain's decision to expel 23 Russian diplomats.

It also said it would close the British Council in Russia, which promotes cultural ties between the nations, and the British Consulate in St Petersburg.

Russia to expel 23 UK diplomats in spy row
Yeah we’ve talking about it over here

Russia kicks out 23 British diplomats as Vladimir Putin hits back in row over nerve agent attack
 

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@FUBAR yes I know. I'm making this an all inclusive thread on everything going on vs making a new thread every time. Thanks for reading my "charts and graphs"



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@FUBAR yes I know. I'm making this an all inclusive thread on everything going on vs making a new thread every time. Thanks for reading my "charts and graphs"



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Oh ok.
Yeah I saw you posted over there so that’s weird.
No I don’t really read all of the charts and graphs tbh, seems sorta irrelevant to anything going on but if they make you happy....
 

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Russia spy row: UK lab could be poison source, says ambassador
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Russia's EU ambassador has suggested a UK research laboratory could be the source of the nerve agent used in the attack on an ex-spy and his daughter.

Vladimir Chizhov told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show Russia had "nothing to do" with the poisoning in Salisbury of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

He said Russia did not stockpile the poison and that the Porton Down lab was only eight miles (12km) from the city.

Russia spy row: UK lab could be poison source, says ambassador

 

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Evidence before accusations: Austria asks for full-fledged Skripal investigation



"Our position is: First there is the need to establish a full picture of events in joint cooperation with the Chemical agency [Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW)] and all those involved”
the foreign minister said.

“We don't do fantasy politics. Once the elements are proven, then the time will come for decisions to be made,” the spokesperson told a press conference shortly after British Prime Minister Theresa May announced she would be expelling 23 Russian diplomats over the poisoning.






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Poland May Join UK in Expelling Russian Diplomats Over Skripal Case - Reports
18:16 19.03.2018

WARSAW (Sputnik) - Poland may expel Russian diplomats in solidarity with the United Kingdom amid the scandal around poisoning of Russian former intelligence officer Sergei Skripal in England, the Polish Gazeta Prawna newspaper reported on Monday.

According to Gazeta Prawna, apart from the expelling of diplomats, some other sanctions may be introduced against Moscow as soon as by the end of the day.

Poland May Join UK in Expelling Russian Diplomats Over Skripal Case - Reports
 

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Nerve Gas in Skripal Case 'Could Have Easily Been Done by Brits' - Developer


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Nerve Gas in Skripal Case 'Could Have Easily Been Done by Brits' - Developer



MOSCOW (Sputnik) - London is not providing Moscow with a sample of the substance that poisoned former GRU Colonel Sergei Skripal, because the Russian experts are able to quickly determine that it was not manufactured in Russia, Leonid Rink, one of the developers of the А-234, also known as the Novichok chemical weapons system, told Sputnik.

"Why do you think the British refuse to give a [nerve agent] sample to Moscow? Because no matter how hard the specialists try, the manufacturing technology always differs a little. It's a kind of a 'handwriting sample.' It will immediately become clear that this is not a Russian technology," Rink said.

Rink added that the sample from Salisbury is like a "fingerprint" for a forensic expert.

"It could be easily determined that it [the poison] was not 'cooked' in Russia," he stressed.

According to the scientist, British chemical weapons experts had access to Novichok technology and could have used it to poison Skripal and his daughter.


"It [the Novichok-type technology] is commonly available for professionals…Any pharmaceutical corporation, any chemical corporation is capable of manufacturing it in their laboratories," Rink said.

"It is absolutely certain that there are such specialists in the UK. I believe they could have applied the substance on Skripal or his daughter's belongings. Or on some objects in the cemetery. Naturally, there should have known that Skripal would visit the cemetery. It could have easily been done by the British themselves,
" he concluded.

The poisoning of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal was too unprofessional to have been carried out by alleged Russian agents, Leonid Rink said.

"Since all participants of this incident are alive, it is hard to imagine that the Russians are involved in this: such a blatant ignorance of alleged agents is just ridiculous and unacceptable. Even an unprofessional Russian agent would not use the one substance of Russian origin and with a Russian name. There are plenty of more appropriate substances. Firing at an unimportant target with a rocket and missing is the utmost stupidity,
" Rink said.

The developer of the chemical weapons added that Russia had no motive, since Skripal, who was part of a US-Russian spy swap in 2010, had no more important information to give to ether Russia or the United Kingdom.

"He was of no interest to Moscow. Secondly, the timing is extremely bad for Russia. A few days before the [presidential] election [held Sunday] and shortly before the FIFA World Cup," Rink concluded.



 

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OPCW Director-General Commends Major Milestone as Russia Completes Destruction of Chemical Weapons Stockpile under OPCW Verification
Wednesday, 27 September 2017


OPCW Director-General Ahmet Üzümcü

THE HAGUE, Netherlands – 27 September 2017 – The Director-General of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), Ambassador Ahmet Üzümcü, made a statement today marking the completion of the full destruction of the 39,967 metric tons of chemical weapons possessed by the Russian Federation.

The Director-General stated: "The completion of the verified destruction of Russia's chemical weapons programme is a major milestone in the achievement of the goals of the Chemical Weapons Convention.
I congratulate Russia and I commend all of their experts who were involved for their professionalism and dedication.

I also express my appreciation to the States Parties that assisted the Russian Federation with its destruction program and thank the OPCW staff who verified the destruction
."
The remainder of Russia’s chemical weapons arsenal has been destroyed at the Kizner Chemical Weapons Destruction Facility in the Udmurt Republic.

OPCW Director-General Commends Major Milestone as Russia Completes Destruction of Chemical Weapons Stockpile under OPCW Verification
 

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Germany, France Reject UK-Proposed Russia Sanctions Over Skripal Case – Source
20:12 21.03.2018

ATHENS (Sputnik) - Germany and France were the first to speak at the EU foreign ministers’ meeting against the UK proposal to impose anti-Russia sanctions in the wake of claims that Moscow was responsible for the nerve agent attack on Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal, a European diplomatic source told Sputnik Wednesday.



The German foreign minister was the first to speak against sanctions, then the French minister said the same, 'provide evidence, concrete evidence, and we will support when we see it.' Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias also said that it is necessary to offer relevant proof before accusing Russia. How can we impose sanctions without any data whatsoever?" the source said.

Germany, France Reject UK-Proposed Russia Sanctions Over Skripal Case – Source
 

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blah blah real information
blah blah reality puts the narrative on check and some fonts don't know how to deal with it
Did your google translate get stuck?
It’s hard to switch in between all those languages, Russian and English too.
I don’t know how you do it!
 

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Until the OPCW rules on what poison was used.I won't fault the colonial British for sounding the alarm OP.
What would you rather they do?Let folks die or get ill until they actually find out.An clue 34 were exposed. ...some are still very ill.
OPCW arrived an took samples Monday....it takes 3 wks for the scientists to make a determination.
You need to shutup ...until then.
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Until the OPCW rules on what poison was used.I won't fault the colonial British for sounding the alarm OP.
What would you rather they do?Let folks die or get ill until they actually find out.An clue 34 were exposed. ...some are still very ill.
OPCW arrived an took samples Monday....it takes 3 wks for the scientists to make a determination.
You need to shutup ...until then. View attachment 214700

I tagged you in the other thread about OPCW. I guess you're avoiding that official statement from OPCW showing that Russia destroyed all chemicals.

They can take the blood samples, so what? They're not giving the actual sample of Novichok. They are not allowing a joint investigation. They have access to Novichok so if they either tamper with the blood or it turns out to be Novichok all that proves is that UK has Novichok to compare the blood sample to. Now prove it came from Russia and not Porton Downs.
 

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These are screenshots from authorities at Salisbury (yday U.K. time). Looks like Novichok is still not powerful enough to cross police tape :LOL:

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I tagged you in the other thread about OPCW. I guess you're avoiding that official statement from OPCW showing that Russia destroyed all chemicals.

They can take the blood samples, so what? They're not giving the actual sample of Novichok. They are not allowing a joint investigation. They have access to Novichok so if they either tamper with the blood or it turns out to be Novichok all that proves is that UK has Novichok to compare the blood sample to. Now prove it came from Russia and not Porton Downs.


I saw it,but it sounds like you didn't see my rebuttal.
OPCW says they only took weaponized samples...not those used for research.
That Russian Ambassador you are championing replied that "research" samples were not included in the deal.
This is why OPCW is headed back.
 

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I saw it,but it sounds like you didn't see my rebuttal.
OPCW says they only took weaponized samples...not those used for research.
That Russian Ambassador you are championing replied that "research" samples were not included in the deal.
This is why OPCW is headed back.

1. No I didn't see your rebuttal. Where did Nebenzia say that? I watched his speech 3-4 times. Time stamp?

The article said the entire chemical weapons program was destroyed. Vasilly actually said all chemical stock piles were destroyed in 2017, aka the entire chemical weapons program. So you're saying they stopped the program but kept samples for a program no longer in existence? So Russia had a secret stash and decided to use it to kill a spy they gave to the U.K.? A stash they do not have the resources to research? That's your argument? Lol.

Thecompletion of the verified destruction of Russia's chemical weapons programme is a major milestone in the achievement of the goals of the Chemical Weapons Convention.
I congratulate Russia and I commend all of their experts who were involved for their professionalism and dedication.

I also express my appreciation to the States Parties that assisted the Russian Federation with its destruction program and thank the OPCW staff who verified the destruction
."


OPCW.org


2. All the tweets you posted are saying is that there will be a blood sample. You're moving the goal post from taking a sample to see what the agent is (tweets you posted) to where it came from. Even your tweets leave the door open for the agent being something else. That means it hasn't even been confirmed that it's Novichok.

3. So basically you just confirmed that the agent has not been labeled Novichok by the OPCW and that it's origin is unknown.

4. What you're ignoring is that the "attack" was literally miles away from a British chemical plant and the links of Novichok to other countries. The references were given to the UN.

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On the previous page I posted this excerpt from the Times dated March 14th.

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This is the article but you need to register to read the full thing.

Salisbury poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment

The Times published this consultant in emergency medicine, Stephen Davies, saying the Times article was incorrect and only theee people have been affected.

The editor of the Times, Deborah Haynes, is now DMing people and accusing people that called out the Times regarding the above article of being Russian Trolls!
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Again, do you have an actual link vs just a screen shot?

I feel like I'm just reiterating the same points and you're not responding to anything I type. So this will have to be my last response to you.

1. According to your Sky news tweets, the OPCW has not declared this agent to be Novichok. It will take two weeks. Boris Johnson declared it was Novichok in two days and Theresa May declared it to be Novichok in 8 days. People with no experience making claims when an actual organization said it would take two weeks.

We don't know what this agent is until it's confirmed by the OPCW

2. Suppose it is Novichok, it was originally developed/ made in Uzbekistan and plants were shut down in 1999 per the NYT. It's a binary agent, it needs to be mixed. It's found in pesticides so having it in and of itself is not suspect. Parts of the agent Novichok can be researched without problem because again, it's found in pesticides and has to be synthesized to be used in chemical weapons. The article even says that. Now if you want to theorize that Russia synthesized Novichok to kill Skripal, you need to prove:

a) it is actually Novichok

b) it did not come from any other countries that have Novichok including USA and U.K. (Hello Porton downs!)

3. I don't care what Bishop says considering Uk officials are making claims with literally zero evidence (so far at least). Can you explain why there are people in hazmat suits next to fireman without them?

4. I don't care if Russia did have Novichok at one point until it stopped the chemical weapons program in 1992. Technically it was synthesized in Uzbekistan which isn't even Russia so Vassily wasn't lying. If he was being obtuse then I don't care either because he's protecting classified info.

5. Scientists left the Soviet Union with files. The guy speaking out is in USA and published a book with the formula. How do we know you didn't synthesize Novichok since the formula is public?

6. You didn't answer any of my questions. You just keep posting the same article over and over.
 

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@Tulip, see that!?

I groaned you well within the context of disagreement of something you posted in a relevant thread.

I didn't go randomly search a post by you and groaned for the hell of it.

You want to groan me fine just be an adult about it, I know that's hard for you but try.

Now you can go back to posting already debunked and dismissed articles about Former President Obama.
 

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Starts at 39:20

*Cliffs are in first person

*Novichok is the nickname for the chemical used on Skripal

Cliffs

The UK security council contacted Russia for a closed meeting after sending and circulating the letter from the Prime Minister

Russia contacted the security council and insisted on an open meeting so everyone could see what is really going


This letter/ultimatum from the U.K. is irresponsible and hard to describe using diplomatic vocabulary. The letter contains threats towards a sovereign state and against a permanent member of the security council. This breaks international law and section 2.4 of the UN Charter


My first question is why the U.K. is dragging this to the special council and going against their own procedures? The answer is because the U.K. knows that their story won't hold up in front of the real experts (experts on chemicals and chemical weapons). They are afraid of having a real, genuine discussion on this topic. It's obvious the UK is guided not by the truth, but by some other motives.


On March 13, we got an ultimatum letter giving us 24 hours to admit our guilt. We will not respond to ultimatums from anyone and we won't allow anyone to speak to us like that.

However, we are polite. We sent a response letter on March 13 reaffirming that we had nothing to do with this, and also we also asked for a sample of the chemical and an investigation, especially since one of the victims is a Russian national. Our request was denied. The U.K. is not being transparent.


We got word that the U.K. plans to expel 23 diplomats, freeze bilateral assets and launch a cyber attack. This will not be met without reaction. We can only come to the conclusion that the U.K. is guided by ulterior motives and the desire to spread propaganda to a very uneducated public.


This isn't the first time Russian nationals or Russian people living in the U.K. have been endangered on U.K. soil without proper investigation or without involving and acquainting us with any investigations. The U.K. should take care of its own house before coming into ours since people aren't safe over there.


U.K. needs to follow the procedure of section 9.2 of OPCW (organization of prohibition ofchemical weapons). U.K. knows it must do this, but refuses.


We demand material proof of the Russian trace found. We want to see incontrovertible proof but all we hear is "highly likely." We want independent analysis with the samples the British authorities have.


In the Soviet Union there were no chemical developments carried out under the name Novichok. Since the 1970s a lot of countries were dedicated to the development of chemical substances, including the US and Soviet Union. This work was called VX. In 1992 the president of Russia declared a stop to the development of chemical weapons. In 2017, all stocks of chemicals were destroyed. This can be verified by international entities, such as the prohibition of the development of chemical weapons. The USA has not destroyed its stock.


In the 1990s, some of our scientists moved to the west and took some files and documents when they moved. While we stopped, chemical development continued in countries like the USA and the UK, and their work has been classified as Novichok. This is confirmed by 200 open sources of NATO countries and I'm ready to show you the receipts and references.



The identification of this substance was carried out in Porton Down, which is the scientific center of the ministry of defense. Porton Down was the base for the development of chemical weapons in the U.K., including weapons of this kind. The most logical sources of this substance are the countries that have been carrying out intensive research since the 90s, including the U.K.


No one hear is a chemist, so let me read this quote from one. "In order for the U.K. to be sure that this substance is Novichok gas and not any other gas, they need to have what we call the controlled standard. If they say this is 100% Novichok, that means they have a standard. They have a collection and they have a formula. If the U.K. is so sure its Novichok, then they have the samples, the formula and they're capable of manufacturing it."


We are living in a time where there is a presumption of guilt, not a presumption of innocence. Nicky Hailey ( US ambassador in UN) listed Russia's crimes but we know for Nicky, no investigation is needed to determine the guilty party.


It is no longer necessary to show the council test tubes with an unknown white substance in it, it is enough to send a letter containing an egregious attitude towards a state.


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Let me remind of the UKs illegal attacks using unsubstantiated proof in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya. Don't forget that the U.K. is a state that uses targeted assassinations by drones.

Look at the motive. Is this something that benefits Russia on the eve of an election and soccer championship? In the interest of the presumption of innocence, I won't name them, but I can think of a few countries that would benefit from this incident and benefit from blaming Russia.

After serving his sentence, being pardoned and being handed over to the British, Skripal was of no threat to my county. But he's a perfect victim for a tarnishing campaign directed at Russia. The U.K. is actively trying to tarnish Russia and will stoop to any low.

In Russia, the Sherlock Holmes series is very popular. Sherlock Holmes
has a hapless friend, inspector Lestrade from Scotland Yard. Lestrade isn't bright
and always finds banal conclusions based on surface information while Sherlock Holmes always finds out what's really behind the crime. We could benefit from a Sherlock Holmes today because Lestrade came in the form of high ranking U.K. gov officials.

Russia wants the U.K. to give up on Imperial practices belonging in the 19th century. Give up on ultimatums and threats and up give up colonial habits and get back to the law.

In conclusion, Russia has nothing to do with this and we consider the UK's ultimatum null and void. We ask that the U.K. acts in strict adherence to the convention of chemical weapons and other entities and will provide samples of the substance for joint investigation. This isn't optional, this is a mandatory requirement under the convention the organization of the prohibition of chemical weapons. We have nothing to fear and nothing to hide. We're ready.


If they have the evidence which suggest that Trump gave classified info to Russian contacts and that information resulted indirectly in the deaths of operatives who were citizens of their country, they can do whatever. but, him accusing that is not going to get UK to speak on this active investigation or turn over any information for all to see.This is a tactic. From, what i understand by UK abrupt response, they have evidence showing that what they did is legal and that Russia is the cause and source of several deaths. But, to defend it would would also mean to show your hand. And, they are not that stupid. nice try Russia. Brits have the best intelligence intel ever. They are home of mi6. Rarely make error unlike we did especially with the Iraq situation. Brits doesn't make those mistakes.
 

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Again, do you have an actual link vs just a screen shot?

I feel like I'm just reiterating the same points and you're not responding to anything I type. So this will have to be my last response to you.

1. According to your Sky news tweets, the OPCW has not declared this agent to be Novichok. It will take two weeks. Boris Johnson declared it was Novichok in two days and Theresa May declared it to be Novichok in 8 days. People with no experience making claims when an actual organization said it would take two weeks.

We don't know what this agent is until it's confirmed by the OPCW

2. Suppose it is Novichok, it was originally developed/ made in Uzbekistan and plants were shut down in 1999 per the NYT. It's a binary agent, it needs to be mixed. It's found in pesticides so having it in and of itself is not suspect. Parts of the agent Novichok can be researched without problem because again, it's found in pesticides and has to be synthesized to be used in chemical weapons. The article even says that. Now if you want to theorize that Russia synthesized Novichok to kill Skripal, you need to prove:

a) it is actually Novichok

b) it did not come from any other countries that have Novichok including USA and U.K. (Hello Porton downs!)

3. I don't care what Bishop says considering Uk officials are making claims with literally zero evidence (so far at least). Can you explain why there are people in hazmat suits next to fireman without them?

4. I don't care if Russia did have Novichok at one point until it stopped the chemical weapons program in 1992. Technically it was synthesized in Uzbekistan which isn't even Russia so Vassily wasn't lying. If he was being obtuse then I don't care either because he's protecting classified info.

5. Scientists left the Soviet Union with files. The guy speaking out is in USA and published a book with the formula. How do we know you didn't synthesize Novichok since the formula is public?

6. You didn't answer any of my questions. You just keep posting the same article over and over.


Your responses to me are based on hearsay,my responses are based on recent quotes from those actually involved.There is a difference. If you don't want to acknowledge Russia had TWO stockpiles...one they reported, the other they felt they did not need to report.That's fine.But in three weeks,when the OPCW makes its official determination....i will be summoning you back to this thread whether you respond or not.Especially if the determination is that Russia used it research pile....

Don't make excuses for them until we both get that evidence, simple as that
 

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If they have the evidence which suggest that Trump gave classified info to Russian contacts and that information resulted indirectly in the deaths of operatives who were citizens of their country, they can do whatever. but, him accusing that is not going to get UK to speak on this active investigation or turn over any information for all to see.This is a tactic. From, what i understand by UK abrupt response, they have evidence showing that what they did is legal and that Russia is the cause and source of several deaths. But, to defend it would would also mean to show your hand. And, they are not that stupid. nice try Russia. Brits have the best intelligence intel ever. They are home of mi6. Rarely make error unlike we did especially with the Iraq situation. Brits doesn't make those mistakes.

When did UK say Trump gave info Skripal? Skripal was working for Mi6 and part of a spy exchange. US isn’t involved in this case besides the fact that they have access to Novichok if the agent is even Novichok.

What UK did is legal in the sense that they can make any claims they want. They did violate section 9.2 of the convention of the Organization of the Prohibition of Chemicals Weapons by not releasing the agent for a joint investigation within 10 days.

They didn’t show evidence at all. They just made a claim. They also only refer to Skripal not other Russians in their country. Why now? Because they need more taxes for defense etc.

Iraq is a pretty huge error.

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Your responses to me are based on hearsay,my responses are based on recent quotes from those actually involved.There is a difference. If you don't want to acknowledge Russia had TWO stockpiles...one they reported, the other they felt they did not need to report.That's fine.But in three weeks,when the OPCW makes its official determination....i will be summoning you back to this thread whether you respond or not.Especially if the determination is that Russia used it research pile....

Don't make excuses for them until we both get that evidence, simple as that

LOL. I admit they *could have had two stock piles of chemicals. I’m just saying part of the chemicals used to create Novichok are used in pesticides and novichok has to be synthesized because it’s a binary agent. Having certain chemicals which other countries have access to and are used in everyday products doesn’t mean it was synthesized to kill this particular person by Russia. The actual name Novichok has references in 200 sources linked to various NATO nations.

Even if it’s Novichok how can you prove it came from Russia when it’s linked to other countries? What’s the motive to kill an old useless spy Russia gave away? Only motive is a false flag from the UK to increase taxes for defense.

Ok we’ll wait.
 

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@Tulip, see that!?

I groaned you well within the context of disagreement of something you posted in a relevant thread.

I didn't go randomly search a post by you and groaned for the hell of it.

You want to groan me fine just be an adult about it, I know that's hard for you but try.

Now you can go back to posting already debunked and dismissed articles about Former President Obama.

Cry me a river. Fast and Furious has not been debunked. Lmao.

Obama is scum but this thread isn’t about that. Have a nice night!
 

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What makes you sick about this? Your reading comprehension is poor. Vasilly was explaining why the chemical could not have come from Russia. Try reading. That's been your problem on threads before. You don't even get the topic so maybe this section isn't for you?
Chemical doesn't have to come from Russia just like the uranium in a bomb doesn't have to come from Russia. There are agents and double agents in the business. We have them. The job or the target is a enemy of the client. The client is Russia or Putin but the person or country that is paid to put the hit out can come form anyone who can get their hands on the weapon, poison or whatever. It is not where it came form it is who can get their hands on whee it came from . Usually if they find the synthesizer of a poison they can tell who made it where and where it was purchased.
 

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The UK does not have to be transparent or reveal their info to anyone. Especially if the information they have reveals the or protects someone or another country entirely. If i reveal my evidence to you it show and tells the who,what,when and why. They are not ready to do that yet. I got my evidence you scramble to pay your card. If i have a trump card i will wait before showing my evidence or my card in this play.

LOL that is not the game we going to play. I going to show you so you can go clean up after yourself. NOPE!!
 

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You notice when Russia said they have this or that or the other in weapon of mass distruction, we and other countries said nothing. They said we have this to your this and we have this to your this. we and other countries were silent. No country every reveals what weapons or access to weapons or intel of weapons they have. That is violation!!...you really think Russia is going to get the UK to converse about intel. smh....
 

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